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Premill interprets Ezekiel chapter 37 speaks of future restoration of Israel, already fulfilled in year 1948 or 1967.
But, it misinterpreting on Ezekiel 37.
The context of Ezekiel chapter 37 talks about future resurrection.
Premill believes "dry bones" represent Israel, that it have been dead and not being existing as nation for many centuries.
Does Ezekiel 37 actually say that Israel was not being existing nation for many years or centuries? None.
I urge y'all, read whole context of chapter 37, what it all talk about.
My understanding of Ezekiel chapter 37 speaks of future resurrection, because of next two chapters speak about Gog and Magog. Then, Ezekiel chapter 40 to 48 speak of future eternality kingdom.
Ezek. 37:9-10 says, "The said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. So, I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army."
My understanding of Ezek. 37:9-10 speak about the resurrection.
I am aware of premill interprets Ezek. 37:12, that God shall bring Jews back to their land - Israel again, it already fulfilled in year 1948.
I notice the context of Ezek. 37:12-13 speak about the resurrection, that all believers shall be risen from their graves.
I ask you a question, does the resurrection of the people already occur in year 1948 or 1967?
Look at the cementary. there are full of graves are still there right now. All people are not yet risen from the graves.
So, Ezekiel chapter 37 is not fullfill yet right now.
How about Ezek 37:12? - Bring them back to land of Israel.
Premill uses that verse to prove there shall be restoration of Israel, already fulfilled in year 1948 or 1967.
My understanding of Ezek 37:12 tells us, that when AFTER the resurrection of the believers occurs, then bring them gathering together into their home.
Israel is not only physical nation, also, it is spiritual place, that is New Jerusalem.
Also, we are Israel. Israel is Church, Church is Israel.
I am not a Replacement Theology.
I have been read from Ezekiel chapter 37 through chapter 48 about the end times often.
I believe the resurrection must occur first before Gog and Magog event.
My understanding of Ezekiel chapter 38 and 39 is the picture of the battle of Armageddon.
I notice, there are three or four views on the timing of Gog and Magog. Some believe it will occur before Tribulation begins. Some believe it will occur in the middle of Tribulation. Some believe it will occur at the end of Tribulation. Some believe it will occur at the end of millennium.
My beliefs on the timing of Gog and Magog will occur at the end of Tribulation.
Before explain on the timing of Gog and Magog, I want to tell you something about Ezekiel 38 & 39.
Some pretribbbers believe it will be occur at the beginning of Tribulation, because of Ezek 39:9 tells us, that the weapons shall be burned for SEVEN YEARS.
Do I deny Ezek 39:9? NO! I agree with it. I have no problem with it.
Before I discuss on Ezekiel 38 and 39.
I want to explain to you, why I do not agree with their 3 different views on the timing of Gog and Magog.
Pretrib believes the timing of Gog and Magog will occur at the beginning of Tribulation period because of Ezek. 39:9 says so.
If suppose they are correct. So, when Gog and Magog invade Israel, they are destroyed, and then, all weapons shall be burned for seven years. When after seven years passed, as they finally clean all weapons done are gone. BUT, there is another armies invade against Israel again. After the armies are destroyed, they would have to clean all weapons for another 7 years all over again TWO TIMES - total 14 years.
Does it make a sense?
Some believe the invasion against Israel in the middle of Tribulation. If they are correct. So, that mean, after the army are destroyed, the weapons shall be burned for seven years.
While they are cleaning the weapons in the halfway, there is another army invade against Israel. The army are destroyed, they would have to clean all weapons add another 7 years would be total - 10 1/2 years.
Does it make a sense??
Some believe the invasion against Israel at the end of Tribulation period. I agree with them.
Why?
The most important key word, that we notice in Ezekiel 39:17-19 is "fowls".
There is also another refer verse of Ezek. 39:17-19 is in Matt 24:28. Jesus tells us, where the carcass are, shall the eagles be gathering together.
I believe Matt 24:28 must be relate with the battle of armageddon.
Also, there is another refer verses of 'fowls' in Luke 17:34-37. Luke 17:37 sames with Matt 24:28.
There is also another refer verse find in Rev. 19:17-18.
I am no doubt that I strongly believe the timing of Gog and Magog must be at the end of Tribulation period relate with the battle of Armageddon, because of word, "fowls" "eagles".
I have a good reason why I do believe Ezekiel 38 and 39 must be occur at the end of Tribulation period.
How about Ezek. 39:9?
I have a good point with a good thought on Ezek 39:9.
Pretrib teaches, there will be rapture 7 years earlier before the second advent. So, that means, about 200 million of alive Christians caught up in the air, and left 6.1 billion of world population on earth. Then, come the judgement seat of Christ.
So, let figure it out how many saints have to be judged during seven year of Tribulation period. Do math on it.
First, let start with seconds. There is 60 seconds of each a minute. So, 60 seconds X(multply) 60 minutes in a hour = 3600 seconds in a hour. 3600 seconds X 24 hours in a day = 86,400 seconds a day. 86,400 seconds X 365 days a year = 31,536,000 seconds a year. 31,536,000 seconds X 7 years = 220,752,000 seconds total for seven years.
That means, God would have to judge a person in every 1 to 2 seconds.
Does God have a time to set up for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb? No.
God have to hurry to finish judge all 220 million of alive Christians in only 7 years. How about the rest of all saints from Early Church to present day - 2000 years? That would be millions, and millions of saints are already in heaven since creation to present day.
God have no time to judge to all saints from creation to present time in the heave for only 7 years.
After God finish judge with all 220 million of saints in the heaven. Then, all saints would have to grab a bag of sandwich with them, while they will ride on the horse to follow Christ down to earth, because it would not be enough time for to have Marriage Supper of the Lamb in heaven as seven years of Tribulaiton period already expired.
Does pretribulationism doctrine make a sense?
I have a good reason that I strong believe the timing of Gog and Magog will occur at the end of tribulation period, because of word, "fowls", "eagles" refer with Matt 24:28; Luke 17:37; Rev. 19:17-19 must be at the battle of Armageddon.
I have no problem with Ezek 39:9.
Because the great white throne/judgement seat of Christ(both are synonymous) will take for a long, long time take so many years to go. God would have to judge ALL people from creation to the end of the age that would be billions and billions. So, no problem with me on Ezek 39:9, that the weapons will be burn for only 7 years WHILE the judgment day are on the processing same time. When after the weapons all be gone, while the judgement are STILL on processing.
How about Rev. 20:8?
Some pretrib believe there will be two events of Gog and Magog- first at the beginning of Tribulation, second at the end of millennium.
I ask you a question, does the Bible teaches the event of Gog and Magog will be happen twice???
Revelation chapter 20 is full of symbolic and figurative.
Revelation 19 does not bring chapter 20 into chronological order of the timing. Revelation chapter 19 ends at the second advent, that's it. Revelation chapter 20 ends at the second advent, that's it.
You have to be realize that the book of Revelation have parallels and retelling the events. There are seven parallels in Revelation.
I will discuss on Revelation in another post, because of this post is SO VERY LONG!!
I have a good reason that, I believe the resurrection of Ezekiel chapter 37 will be occur BEFORE Gog and Magog.
Because in Rev. 16:12-16 tell us, at the 6th vial, Euphrate River shall be dried up, allow 200 million of the Kings of east to march across it prepare for the battle of Armageddon. Rev. 16:15 tells us, that Christ shall come LIKE AS THIEF. That is a rapture. We shall be rapture after the 6th vial, but BEFORE the battle of armageddon.
I believe Gog and Magog is Aramgeddon.
So, the resurrection MUST be occur first before rapture comes - 1 Thess 4:15-17.
Ezekiel chapter 37 is the picture of rapture for to gathering all saints together that would be take place before Gog and Magog occurs.
In the next post, I will continue discuss on Ezekiel chapter 40 to 48. I am aware of premill emphasis on Ezekiel 40 to 48 to prove, that there will be another temple and sacrifice again for the millennium kingdom. Premill interpreting Ezekiel 40 to 48 into literally too much.
I will discuss on it, why I do not agree with premill's teaching on it in the next post.
Forgive me, this post os SO VERY LONG!!!
But, that what I am trying to explain to you on Ezekiel chapter 37 to 39, what it all talk about.
In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
But, it misinterpreting on Ezekiel 37.
The context of Ezekiel chapter 37 talks about future resurrection.
Premill believes "dry bones" represent Israel, that it have been dead and not being existing as nation for many centuries.
Does Ezekiel 37 actually say that Israel was not being existing nation for many years or centuries? None.
I urge y'all, read whole context of chapter 37, what it all talk about.
My understanding of Ezekiel chapter 37 speaks of future resurrection, because of next two chapters speak about Gog and Magog. Then, Ezekiel chapter 40 to 48 speak of future eternality kingdom.
Ezek. 37:9-10 says, "The said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. So, I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army."
My understanding of Ezek. 37:9-10 speak about the resurrection.
I am aware of premill interprets Ezek. 37:12, that God shall bring Jews back to their land - Israel again, it already fulfilled in year 1948.
I notice the context of Ezek. 37:12-13 speak about the resurrection, that all believers shall be risen from their graves.
I ask you a question, does the resurrection of the people already occur in year 1948 or 1967?
Look at the cementary. there are full of graves are still there right now. All people are not yet risen from the graves.
So, Ezekiel chapter 37 is not fullfill yet right now.
How about Ezek 37:12? - Bring them back to land of Israel.
Premill uses that verse to prove there shall be restoration of Israel, already fulfilled in year 1948 or 1967.
My understanding of Ezek 37:12 tells us, that when AFTER the resurrection of the believers occurs, then bring them gathering together into their home.
Israel is not only physical nation, also, it is spiritual place, that is New Jerusalem.
Also, we are Israel. Israel is Church, Church is Israel.
I am not a Replacement Theology.
I have been read from Ezekiel chapter 37 through chapter 48 about the end times often.
I believe the resurrection must occur first before Gog and Magog event.
My understanding of Ezekiel chapter 38 and 39 is the picture of the battle of Armageddon.
I notice, there are three or four views on the timing of Gog and Magog. Some believe it will occur before Tribulation begins. Some believe it will occur in the middle of Tribulation. Some believe it will occur at the end of Tribulation. Some believe it will occur at the end of millennium.
My beliefs on the timing of Gog and Magog will occur at the end of Tribulation.
Before explain on the timing of Gog and Magog, I want to tell you something about Ezekiel 38 & 39.
Some pretribbbers believe it will be occur at the beginning of Tribulation, because of Ezek 39:9 tells us, that the weapons shall be burned for SEVEN YEARS.
Do I deny Ezek 39:9? NO! I agree with it. I have no problem with it.
Before I discuss on Ezekiel 38 and 39.
I want to explain to you, why I do not agree with their 3 different views on the timing of Gog and Magog.
Pretrib believes the timing of Gog and Magog will occur at the beginning of Tribulation period because of Ezek. 39:9 says so.
If suppose they are correct. So, when Gog and Magog invade Israel, they are destroyed, and then, all weapons shall be burned for seven years. When after seven years passed, as they finally clean all weapons done are gone. BUT, there is another armies invade against Israel again. After the armies are destroyed, they would have to clean all weapons for another 7 years all over again TWO TIMES - total 14 years.
Does it make a sense?
Some believe the invasion against Israel in the middle of Tribulation. If they are correct. So, that mean, after the army are destroyed, the weapons shall be burned for seven years.
While they are cleaning the weapons in the halfway, there is another army invade against Israel. The army are destroyed, they would have to clean all weapons add another 7 years would be total - 10 1/2 years.
Does it make a sense??
Some believe the invasion against Israel at the end of Tribulation period. I agree with them.
Why?
The most important key word, that we notice in Ezekiel 39:17-19 is "fowls".
There is also another refer verse of Ezek. 39:17-19 is in Matt 24:28. Jesus tells us, where the carcass are, shall the eagles be gathering together.
I believe Matt 24:28 must be relate with the battle of armageddon.
Also, there is another refer verses of 'fowls' in Luke 17:34-37. Luke 17:37 sames with Matt 24:28.
There is also another refer verse find in Rev. 19:17-18.
I am no doubt that I strongly believe the timing of Gog and Magog must be at the end of Tribulation period relate with the battle of Armageddon, because of word, "fowls" "eagles".
I have a good reason why I do believe Ezekiel 38 and 39 must be occur at the end of Tribulation period.
How about Ezek. 39:9?
I have a good point with a good thought on Ezek 39:9.
Pretrib teaches, there will be rapture 7 years earlier before the second advent. So, that means, about 200 million of alive Christians caught up in the air, and left 6.1 billion of world population on earth. Then, come the judgement seat of Christ.
So, let figure it out how many saints have to be judged during seven year of Tribulation period. Do math on it.
First, let start with seconds. There is 60 seconds of each a minute. So, 60 seconds X(multply) 60 minutes in a hour = 3600 seconds in a hour. 3600 seconds X 24 hours in a day = 86,400 seconds a day. 86,400 seconds X 365 days a year = 31,536,000 seconds a year. 31,536,000 seconds X 7 years = 220,752,000 seconds total for seven years.
That means, God would have to judge a person in every 1 to 2 seconds.
Does God have a time to set up for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb? No.
God have to hurry to finish judge all 220 million of alive Christians in only 7 years. How about the rest of all saints from Early Church to present day - 2000 years? That would be millions, and millions of saints are already in heaven since creation to present day.
God have no time to judge to all saints from creation to present time in the heave for only 7 years.
After God finish judge with all 220 million of saints in the heaven. Then, all saints would have to grab a bag of sandwich with them, while they will ride on the horse to follow Christ down to earth, because it would not be enough time for to have Marriage Supper of the Lamb in heaven as seven years of Tribulaiton period already expired.
Does pretribulationism doctrine make a sense?
I have a good reason that I strong believe the timing of Gog and Magog will occur at the end of tribulation period, because of word, "fowls", "eagles" refer with Matt 24:28; Luke 17:37; Rev. 19:17-19 must be at the battle of Armageddon.
I have no problem with Ezek 39:9.
Because the great white throne/judgement seat of Christ(both are synonymous) will take for a long, long time take so many years to go. God would have to judge ALL people from creation to the end of the age that would be billions and billions. So, no problem with me on Ezek 39:9, that the weapons will be burn for only 7 years WHILE the judgment day are on the processing same time. When after the weapons all be gone, while the judgement are STILL on processing.
How about Rev. 20:8?
Some pretrib believe there will be two events of Gog and Magog- first at the beginning of Tribulation, second at the end of millennium.
I ask you a question, does the Bible teaches the event of Gog and Magog will be happen twice???
Revelation chapter 20 is full of symbolic and figurative.
Revelation 19 does not bring chapter 20 into chronological order of the timing. Revelation chapter 19 ends at the second advent, that's it. Revelation chapter 20 ends at the second advent, that's it.
You have to be realize that the book of Revelation have parallels and retelling the events. There are seven parallels in Revelation.
I will discuss on Revelation in another post, because of this post is SO VERY LONG!!
I have a good reason that, I believe the resurrection of Ezekiel chapter 37 will be occur BEFORE Gog and Magog.
Because in Rev. 16:12-16 tell us, at the 6th vial, Euphrate River shall be dried up, allow 200 million of the Kings of east to march across it prepare for the battle of Armageddon. Rev. 16:15 tells us, that Christ shall come LIKE AS THIEF. That is a rapture. We shall be rapture after the 6th vial, but BEFORE the battle of armageddon.
I believe Gog and Magog is Aramgeddon.
So, the resurrection MUST be occur first before rapture comes - 1 Thess 4:15-17.
Ezekiel chapter 37 is the picture of rapture for to gathering all saints together that would be take place before Gog and Magog occurs.
In the next post, I will continue discuss on Ezekiel chapter 40 to 48. I am aware of premill emphasis on Ezekiel 40 to 48 to prove, that there will be another temple and sacrifice again for the millennium kingdom. Premill interpreting Ezekiel 40 to 48 into literally too much.
I will discuss on it, why I do not agree with premill's teaching on it in the next post.
Forgive me, this post os SO VERY LONG!!!
But, that what I am trying to explain to you on Ezekiel chapter 37 to 39, what it all talk about.
In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
