37818
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Ok. But saying this does not explain the steps and reasons to come to that view.
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Pre Millennial is what is Biblical
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When Christ Got up from the grave according to this scripture he raised up to sit on the throne. As David was king over Fleshly Israel, Christ is the king over born again Israel.
Acts 2:29-33 KJVS
[29] Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. [30] Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; [31] He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. [32] This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. [33] Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Acts 2:29-33 KJVS
[29] Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. [30] Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; [31] He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. [32] This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. [33] Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
1689Dave
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“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)
1689Dave
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“Now this is what I am saying, brothers and sisters: Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)
This means only saints in glorified bodies would inhabit an earthly millennium if there were one. And this would leave Satan using many of them to attack the rest when loosed when the 1000 years end.
The solution is that there is no physical millennium. But all of Revelation 20 is taking place now in the spiritual realm. and when Satan is loosed, (I believe this is presently happening), massive deception will attack the truth held by the church on a world wide basis.
This means only saints in glorified bodies would inhabit an earthly millennium if there were one. And this would leave Satan using many of them to attack the rest when loosed when the 1000 years end.
The solution is that there is no physical millennium. But all of Revelation 20 is taking place now in the spiritual realm. and when Satan is loosed, (I believe this is presently happening), massive deception will attack the truth held by the church on a world wide basis.
Scripture plainly sez that when Jesus returns, He's gonna rule the nations with a rod of iron for 1K years while Satan is banished to "the abyss". Then, Satan will be released & he will immediately organize a human rebellion against Jesus, which will be consumed by fire from heaven. While Jesus is King right now, He certainly isn't reigning on earth now.
No scenario invented by men is correct if it deviates from Scripture whatsoever.
No scenario invented by men is correct if it deviates from Scripture whatsoever.
1689Dave
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God always rules the nations with a rod of iron. And Jesus is God.
37818
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The kingdom of God is eternal and has no beginning. The millennium has a beginning and an end. And it is my understanding that the millennium is yet future, and post second appearing of Christ and the resurrection of His believers and the rapture.
1689Dave
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There is no millennium. The kingdom of God came as Jesus preached it. But only the born again could see it.
37818
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An explicit denal of Revelation 20:4-6.
Jesus preached it to be in reach of men (Mark 1:15). And the kingdoms of men are to become God's, Revelation 11:15.
1689Dave
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The 1000 years are not the kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom when loosed.
37818
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". . . and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. . . ."
1689Dave
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They did, preaching the gospel that bound Satan.
37818
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When? Christ's second appearing has not yet happend.
Satan has not been bound, and has not been cast into the lake of fire.
1689Dave
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Revelation 20 spans the entire New Covenant era = happening now too.
37818
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That is your view. How does one come to this understanding? First step, second step . . . (however many or few). From common ground to that view. Jumping over the fence, so to speak, leaves many behind, not grasping the view. (Or just maybe it is explicitly false). I would like to at least understanding it to where I could explain it too, even if I did not agree.
1689Dave
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Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:
“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)
“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)
“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)
“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)
“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)
“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)
“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)
“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)
“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)
“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)
“When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)
“for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)
Now read Revelation knowing there is no physical kingdom according to Jesus. It will begin to make sense.
If you want to learn then why not google
“Arguments against premillinialism”
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Dont you think it would make more sense to do it that way?
“Arguments against premillinialism”
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Something similar
Dont you think it would make more sense to do it that way?
1689Dave
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Study Jesus' description of the Kingdom. Premillennialism will dissolve before your eyes.
They like to deny any literal meaning and they believe in Replacement theology.
Good luck.
You mean expansionism
Ie to include app nations
Nothing was replaced. Only expanded and for the better I might add
Ie to include app nations
Nothing was replaced. Only expanded and for the better I might add
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