George Antonios
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Continually sins. And "sin" is a whole boat-load more than murder, fornication, and drugs...Do you mean continually sins or continues to sin?
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Continually sins. And "sin" is a whole boat-load more than murder, fornication, and drugs...Do you mean continually sins or continues to sin?
Again, cite verses to prove this. John said all have sinned. John said we sin generally, in the present. I agree. John also said the one who continually habitually sins does not know God, and never has. He's neither seen him or known him.
Are you directly contradicting this?
Continually sins. And "sin" is a whole boat-load more than murder, fornication, and drugs...
But to directly contradict John, and say Christians continually habitually sin
It doesn't say that in the NASB translation and you have already dismissed any resort to the Greek in John 6:44, so that probably rules out looking at the Hebrew in Hosea.I don't understand what all of this has to do with the fact that God drew Ephraim yet they refused his drawing.
The verse you used to prove that John 6:44 must mean that and cannot mean "draw" in the English meaning of the word does not say or prove that, so this statement remains your unsupported opinion.God draws all people. Those who yield, get effectually drawn. Those who refuse, don't.
It doesn't say that in the NASB translation and you have already dismissed any resort to the Greek in John 6:44, so that probably rules out looking at the Hebrew in Hosea.
The words of the living God as they stand ...It's nice to know what the NASB says but I prefer quoting the words of the living God as they stand:
Hos 11:3 I taught Ephraim also to go, taking them by their arms; but they knew not that I healed them.
Hos 11:4 I drew them with cords of a man, with bands of love: and I was to them as they that take off the yoke on their jaws, and I laid meat unto them.
Hos 11:5 He shall not return into the land of Egypt, but the Assyrian shall be his king, because they refused to return.
Fixed that for you.Hos 11:3 I taught Ephraim also to go, taking them by their arms; but they knew not that I healed them.
Hos 11:4 I drew them with cords of a man, with bands of love: and I was to them as they that take off the yoke on their jaws, and I laid meat unto them.
Hos 11:5 He shall not return into the land of Egypt, but the Assyrian shall be his king, because they refused to return.
I think we both know that even if I did address your points, we would end up disagreeing anyway.Did you read posts #134 & 203? Because it seems you just laid your case out without even addressing the things I've mentioned.
...I'm not contradicting John. You may think I am, but that doesn't mean I am.
For now, I'm going about my answer from a different angle, because this is not the thread.
If I say that Christians don't continually sin, I would also be contradicting scriptures....
There are a number of people I disagree with on this board but with whom I can at least have an honest conversation whereby they take into account everything I've said without seeking to wrest it, not being in a rush to judge me and show off how they are better.You're going from bad to worse. You are directly contradicting John. There's no debate. He says the one who habitually and continually sins does not know God. You're saying the exact opposite. I believe him.
John states that the saved person will not now have a habitual and continual lifestyle of still being in sin, as we will still sin, but not as our habit!You're going from bad to worse. You are directly contradicting John. There's no debate. He says the one who habitually and continually sins does not know God. You're saying the exact opposite. I believe him.
Are you saying that saved persons still shall be sinning at times?There are a number of people I disagree with on this board but with whom I can at least have an honest conversation whereby they take into account everything I've said without seeking to wrest it, not being in a rush to judge me and show off how they are better.
John states that the saved person will not now have a habitual and continual lifestyle of still being in sin, as we will still sin, but not as our habit!
not though as a regular habitual practice?You still sin as a habit, as do I, as do all Christians.
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