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[Benjamin]

Open your eyes…

To what??? Your pessimistic gargled argument that doesn't even seem to address any of the subject in which you quoted?

Who do you honestly believe rules any nation?

In America? The people rule, and that is what makes America exceptional. It is good to finally have a leader that respects that and is putting together a fantastic team to accomplish the people's will and put America first. Try opening your eyes to that optimism.

 

[Benjamin]

Yup

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

To what??? Your pessimistic gargled argument that doesn't even seem to address any of the subject in which you quoted?

In America? The people rule, and that is what makes America exceptional. It is good to finally have a leader that respects that and is putting together a fantastic team to accomplish the people's will and put America first. Try opening your eyes to that optimism.

where did you come up with that fantasy

 

[Cathode]

Let me make this clear to everyone - I do not agree with government policies that interfere with free enterprise, free trade, individual liberty, or personal responsibility - regardless of whether it's a Republican policy or a Democratic policy that does so.

Never understood the libertarian free traders, especially at an international level, it puts domestic industry in competition with foreign slave labour.
Great way of deindustrialising a nation and weakening it as a net importer. Rust belt idea.

I can understand domestic free trade however.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Never understood the libertarian free traders, especially at an international level, it puts domestic industry in competition with foreign slave labour.
Great way of deindustrialising a nation and weakening it as a net importer. Rust belt idea.

I can understand domestic free trade however.

What is the difference?

 

[kyredneck]

What is the difference?

?? domestic industry vs. foreign slave labor

 

[Cathode]

What is the difference?

International free trading exports your critical industries off shore to China for instance, creating a rust belt, and a superpower that wants to stomp you.

What defeated Japan in WW2 was America’s domestic industrial might, now China has the industrial might, and much stolen pirated technology.

For instance The United States stopped manufacturing antibiotics domestically and many other critical medications and equipment, free trading to cheaper slave labour manufacturers off shore. This created a great national security vulnerability exposed during the COVID crisis, where medical equipment and medications were denied and kept in the hands of manufacturing nations.

This is just a small part of the vulnerability exposure that The United States faced across its entire economy, yet with enormous consequences.

There are many critical industries that are no longer in domestic control, many industries and know how have been lost forever.

Deindustrialising your nation is not a wise move.

The Chinese economic miracle didn’t happen because of the Chinese, it happened because American companies off shored to China to use cheap slave labour and make greater profits selling back to America.

Free trade created Rust belt USA, and modern super power China.

America handed its Liver to China, in the interests of free trade.

Free trade is capitalism without the patriotism.

Just my humble opinion as a Garden contractor, for what it’s worth.

 

[Cathode]

?? domestic industry vs. foreign slave labor

If a phone manufacturer opened a factory in the USA could he compete on price with Chinese based phone manufacturers who pay a bowl of rice a day to their workers. Many Chinese workers are driven like slaves and are committing suicide in vast numbers.

Free trade creates slaves, misery and suffering to deliver you fantastic savings on your next purchase.
It gives American jobs to foreign slaves. Employees in America would like a living wage, in China the ethics question is completely avoided, they don’t have a complaints department.

Free trade is capitalism without patriotism or ethics.

 

[KenH]

Never understood the libertarian free traders

I would suggest reading about the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 and the the history of the 1930s. Just a suggestion.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

?? domestic industry vs. foreign slave labor

Just out of curiosity, just how much manufacturing is done in the USA Today? I remember when both Bill Clinton & ole man Bush we’re meeting with my boss who owned the biggest electrical devices in the USA to convince him to shift manufacturing to Mexico with his NAFTA thing they were pushing. 2 years later they were shifting their manufacturing to China because of cost advantages ie larger profits. Now my boss also took it upon himself to look at Manufacturing in Vietnam, Cambodia, India etc … so if you were to put punitive taxes on China then they have their options. But do these other countries have the expertise to make computer chips (that was a problem they had the last time that Trump tried this tariff business) … prices went up and deliveries were very stretched out. The economists and the factories have their concerns. I have my concerns as well regarding the increased costs plus labor unions (BTW I went to school to be a labor representative with the unions and worked in the construction trade in NYC and NJ as well as a degree in business & accounting).

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

If a phone manufacturer opened a factory in the USA could he compete on price with Chinese based phone manufacturers who pay a bowl of rice a day to their workers. Many Chinese workers are driven like slaves and are committing suicide in vast numbers.

Free trade creates slaves, misery and suffering to deliver you fantastic savings on your next purchase.
It gives American jobs to foreign slaves. Employees in America would like a living wage, in China the ethics question is completely avoided, they don’t have a complaints department.

Free trade is capitalism without patriotism or ethics.

Manufacturing does not care. King Profits are their consern.

 

[Cathode]

I would suggest reading about the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 and the the history of the 1930s. Just a suggestion.

What worsened the Depression was the contraction of the money supply by the Federal Reserve.

There are critical industries that need protection, especially when it comes to national defence and national security.

If you lose industrial capability and know how in this area, you can lose everything. Greater profits and cheaper goods will seem like shallow recompense at that point.

 

[Cathode]

Manufacturing does not care. King Profits are their consern.

That’s right. What should also concern people is national security.

 

[KenH]

What worsened the Depression was the contraction of the money supply by the Federal Reserve.

There are critical industries that need protection, especially when it comes to national defence and national security.

If you lose industrial capability and know how in this area, you can lose everything. Greater profits and cheaper goods will seem like shallow recompense at that point.

I don't go along with beggar-thy-neighbor policies. I prefer a rising tide that lifts all boats.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

International free trading exports your critical industries off shore to China for instance, creating a rust belt, and a superpower that wants to stomp you.

What defeated Japan in WW2 was America’s domestic industrial might, now China has the industrial might, and much stolen pirated technology.

For instance The United States stopped manufacturing antibiotics domestically and many other critical medications and equipment, free trading to cheaper slave labour manufacturers off shore. This created a great national security vulnerability exposed during the COVID crisis, where medical equipment and medications were denied and kept in the hands of manufacturing nations.

This is just a small part of the vulnerability exposure that The United States faced across its entire economy, yet with enormous consequences.

There are many critical industries that are no longer in domestic control, many industries and know how have been lost forever.

Deindustrialising your nation is not a wise move.

The Chinese economic miracle didn’t happen because of the Chinese, it happened because American companies off shored to China to use cheap slave labour and make greater profits selling back to America.

Free trade created Rust belt USA, and modern super power China.

America handed its Liver to China, in the interests of free trade.

Free trade is capitalism without the patriotism.

Just my humble opinion as a Garden contractor, for what it’s worth.

When Bush and Clinton approached my boss with NAFTA they sold him on Central and Canadian manufacturing as the future plan for the USA, because the company would be supporting American continental economic growth, not oriental countries… so my boss acquiesced and after reinvesting in Mexican assembly & manufacturing, the bottom line is that company as well as other NAFTA companies lost a ton of money. For example a product that is made in Mexico @ $10.00 is made in China for $1.00. Every one of these NAFTA companies has since moved to China, Indonesia, whatever to recoup lost profits. So the USA will never be able to compete economically and technologically… not going to happen.

 

[Cathode]

I don't go along with beggar-thy-neighbor policies.

Beggar thy nation policies don’t work either. Old cliches have expiry dates.

I prefer a rising tide that lifts all boats.

There is a rising malevolent tide lifting Chinese boats, free trade deindustrialised America and created a monster of China.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I don't go along with beggar-thy-neighbor policies. I prefer a rising tide that lifts all boats.

Touche

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Beggar thy nation policies don’t work either. Old cliches have expiry dates.



There is a rising malevolent tide lifting Chinese boats, free trade deindustrialised America and created a monster of China.

And we have done that to ourselves by our choices! I guess the old slogan of ‘Buy American’ is not considered by our citizens today, right. So now we are supposed to pay for that lack of consideration.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Gentlemen, let us not descend to a position of sentiment begarding the plight of other countries… not when we well know that a truly strong & economically sound country cannot consider others.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That’s right. What should also concern people is national security.

OK, but what’s that got to do with tarrifs?