Preterism and Partial Preterism

[Psalty]

JESUS had prophesied the destruction of the Temple, the den of the thieves, and it happened around 40 years after His ascension when the Romans invaded Israel in year 70AD, and they were banished out of the land->(Diaspora). JESUS was in heaven, at the right hand of the Father, He would still receive from the Father the sealed book of Revelation around 20 or 25 years after the destruction of Israel-Year 95AD. Around year 95AD there were 7 Churches of the Lord in Asia, founded by the Apostles and disciples of the Lord. ->Ephesians 2:19-20:-> 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of GOD; -> 20 And are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

In the prophetic verse 23 Lord JESUS reveals the Gospel would be preached no more in Israel until the END of the times, even till the Son of man be come.->2Thessalonians 2:1-2-> Paul Apostle warned:->1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

->What JESUS prophesied has fulfilled LITERALLY from 70AD until 1948. ->Luke 21:24 ->JESUS said: 24-And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations(DIASPORA): and Jerusalem shall be TRODDEN down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. ->REVELATION 11:2->(around year 95AD) -> 2 But the court which is WITHOUT the Temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. ->This prophecy will fulfill LITERALLY from now on.

Luke 21:5-9 -> 5 JESUS said to the disciples: As some spake of the Temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts,-> and JESUS clarified them, saying, as follow:

6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come(year 70AD, this was/is prophecy), in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. ->(The Romans invaded Israel and destroyed not only the Temple, the den of thieves, in LITERAL fulfillment of JESUS's prophecy, but also the nation of Israel as a whole. Such terrible event had nothing to do with persecutions, but severe CHASTISEMENTS according to the Deuteronomy 28:15-68, 53 verses of strong and severe curses and chastisements).

7 And they(the apostles) asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
8 And JESUS said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying ->(not in the destruction of the nation of Israel-70AD-DIASPORA),saaying I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
9 And when ye shall hear of wars and commotions,be not terrified:for these things must first come to pass;but the END is not by and by.

Your thinking is from a human perspective, A STUMBLINGBLOCK, not from GOD's perspective. ->What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, understand?- John 1:1. -> By the Way, the Word was made flesh around 2000 years ago, and 4000 years after Adam, the fourth Day-Genesis 1:16, He is the Greater Light-> John 12:44-50 and He, the Word made flesh said:->John 5:17 -> My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. ->John 10:30)-> I and my Father are One.

That's it.

So sorry, but I asked about what Matthew 10 meant when it said that the Son of Man would come, not Luke 21… not sure how Luke 21 relates to the question.

 

[Oseas3]

So sorry, but I asked about what Matthew 10 meant when it said that the Son of Man would come, not Luke 21… not sure how Luke 21 relates to the question.

Oh please, what Jesus spoke to the apostles in Matthew 10:23 began to be fulfilled literally immediately after His ascension, do not you still understand?

The persecutions against the Apostles, of which Jesus spoke in Matthew 10:23, they began immediately after his ascension as is written in the book of Acts chapter 4, take a look, and Acts 5:17-42, and 6:8-15, and chapter 7 as a whole, and 8:1-16, and 9:1-31, understand?

And after the conversion of Saul of Tarsus, the persecutions continued as is written in Acts 12:1-19, and 14:1-6, and 17:4-14, and especially when Paul stood before the Sanhedrin, and before the Tribunal of Felix, and Festus, and Agrippa, as is written in Acts chapters 22 to 26, and then he was sent to be judged by Caesar in Rome. According to tradition, Paul died executed in Rome, around the years 64-67 AD, under the rule of Emperor Nero. -> In 70 AD, the nation of Israel was completely destroyed, and the Temple, called the den of thieves, was also destroyed.

And John the Apostle was exiled to the island of Patmos. John is considered to have been exiled to Patmos during a time of persecution under the Roman rule of Domitian in the late 1st century. And the nation of Israel no longer existed; they were all scattered throughout the ancient world, and remained scattered for centuries until 1948. The Diaspora lasted 1878 years, yes, 1878 years of severe curses and punishments according to Deuteronomy 28:15-68.

Didn't you understand that it was impossible to evangelize the cities of Israel at that time because of the terrible and demonic persecutions?Then the nation of Israel was annihilated and chastised in 70 AD, and the punishment lasted until 1948, for its rebellion against GOD.

That being said, and as JESUS also said in Matthew 10:23, the Apostles "shall not have gone over the cities of Israel->(and Israel was not be evangelized), till the Son of man be come". Only and only from now on Israel will be evangelized before JESUS come as was prophesied by Daniel:->Daniel 12:1-3 combined with Matthew 15-25, and 1Thessalonians 4:16, and Revelation 7:1-10, and chapter 14:1-20.

Read de Holy Scriptures, the Bible.->John 5:39-40:->JESUS said:->
39 Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life? And 7:37-38:->
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, JESUS stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38 He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Alleluia!


Look, don't you think that the four books of the Gospel of Jesus speak of the same things among themselves, or don't they share and have the same language? Compare the similarity between them, as follows:

Matthew 10:17-23
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak, for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaks in you.

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.



Luke 21:12-24- JESUS said, as follow:
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations:->(Diaspora), and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. ->(in the END of the times, sure).

12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

 

[37818]

@kyredneck
Zero generation has seen Matthew 24:29, . . . the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, . . . . As the same event. Has not yet happened.

 

[SovereignGrace]

@kyredneck
Zero generation has seen Matthew 24:29, . . . the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, . . . . As the same event. Has not yet happened.

That’s not to be taken literally. That’s apocalyptic language that’s used all throughout the OT when a nation was under God’s judgment. Compare Isaiah 34:4 with Revelation 6:14. The sky did not literally roll up like a scroll in Isaiah 34:4, neither did it in Revelation 6:14.

 

[Psalty]

Oh please, what Jesus spoke to the apostles in Matthew 10:23 began to be fulfilled literally immediately after His ascension, do not you still understand?

The persecutions against the Apostles, of which Jesus spoke in Matthew 10:23, they began immediately after his ascension as is written in the book of Acts chapter 4, take a look, and Acts 5:17-42, and 6:8-15, and chapter 7 as a whole, and 8:1-16, and 9:1-31, understand?

And after the conversion of Saul of Tarsus, the persecutions continued as is written in Acts 12:1-19, and 14:1-6, and 17:4-14, and especially when Paul stood before the Sanhedrin, and before the Tribunal of Felix, and Festus, and Agrippa, as is written in Acts chapters 22 to 26, and then he was sent to be judged by Caesar in Rome. According to tradition, Paul died executed in Rome, around the years 64-67 AD, under the rule of Emperor Nero. -> In 70 AD, the nation of Israel was completely destroyed, and the Temple, called the den of thieves, was also destroyed.

And John the Apostle was exiled to the island of Patmos. John is considered to have been exiled to Patmos during a time of persecution under the Roman rule of Domitian in the late 1st century. And the nation of Israel no longer existed; they were all scattered throughout the ancient world, and remained scattered for centuries until 1948. The Diaspora lasted 1878 years, yes, 1878 years of severe curses and punishments according to Deuteronomy 28:15-68.

Didn't you understand that it was impossible to evangelize the cities of Israel at that time because of the terrible and demonic persecutions?Then the nation of Israel was annihilated and chastised in 70 AD, and the punishment lasted until 1948, for its rebellion against GOD.

That being said, and as JESUS also said in Matthew 10:23, the Apostles "shall not have gone over the cities of Israel->(and Israel was not be evangelized), till the Son of man be come". Only and only from now on Israel will be evangelized before JESUS come as was prophesied by Daniel:->Daniel 12:1-3 combined with Matthew 15-25, and 1Thessalonians 4:16, and Revelation 7:1-10, and chapter 14:1-20.

Read de Holy Scriptures, the Bible.->John 5:39-40:->JESUS said:->
39 Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life? And 7:37-38:->
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, JESUS stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38 He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Alleluia!


Look, don't you think that the four books of the Gospel of Jesus speak of the same things among themselves, or don't they share and have the same language? Compare the similarity between them, as follows:

Matthew 10:17-23
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak, for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaks in you.

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.



Luke 21:12-24- JESUS said, as follow:
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations:->(Diaspora), and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. ->(in the END of the times, sure).

12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

So even though Jesus is talking to the disciples and He says they won’t finish going through Israel, but will be persecuted by kings and governors, you think that Matthew 10 is actually talking about the final tribulation period? Am I understanding you correctly?

You seem to indicate that Matthew 10 refers to the book of Acts, which I could see, but then that does not connect with you quoting Luke 21 about either Tribulation Timing. Luke 21 seems to clearly indicate talking about AD 70 with Jerusalem surrounded by the Armies of Rome:

“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.
— Luke 21:20

So the question remains, how do you take Matthew 10?

“But whenever they persecute you in one city, flee to the next; for truly I say to you, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes.
— Matthew 10:23

Again, according to you quoting Acts, it would seem that the Disciples went through the cities of Israel, so in what sense did the Son of Man come in the book of Acts?

 

[37818]

That’s not to be taken literally.

If it is to be taken literally. It is yet to occur. At Christ's second appearing.

 

[SovereignGrace]

If it is to be taken literally. It is yet to occur. At Christ's second appearing.

And yet verse 34 is on line 1.

 

[kyredneck]

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[kyredneck]

If it is to be taken literally. It is yet to occur. At Christ's second appearing.

Literal stars from other literal galaxies are literally going to fall on planet earth. Right.

That’s literally dumb.

 

[37818]

And yet verse 34 is on line 1.

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Being the generation that sees . . . the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, . . . .

 

[SovereignGrace]

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Being the generation that sees . . . the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, . . . .

Not even remotely close to the context. There is not one citation by Christ in the four gospels when He said "this generation" that that means another generation millennia later. Jesus warning first century believers about things that will happen millennia later is eisegesis, not exegesis.