prophecy70
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David Kent just showed you scripture proof, so them verses are lying?
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Preterism Proof
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David Kent just showed you scripture proof, so them verses are lying?
MMMMM>>Are You Rapture Ready?<<>> Replacement theology (also known as supersessionism) essentially teaches that the church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. Adherents of replacement theology believe the Jews are no longer God’s chosen people, and God does not have specific future plans for the nation of Israel. Among the different views of the relationship between the church and Israel are the church has replaced Israel (replacement theology), the church is an expansion of Israel (covenant theology), or the church is completely different and distinct from Israel (dispensationalism/premillennialism).
Replacement theology teaches that the church is the replacement for Israel and that the many promises made to Israel in the Bible are fulfilled in the Christian church, not in Israel. The prophecies in Scripture concerning the blessing and restoration of Israel to the Promised Land are spiritualized or allegorized into promises of God’s blessing for the church. Major problems exist with this view, such as the continuing existence of the Jewish people throughout the centuries and especially with the revival of the modern state of Israel. If Israel has been condemned by God and there is no future for the Jewish nation, how do we explain the supernatural survival of the Jewish people over the past 2,000 years despite the many attempts to destroy them? How do we explain why and how Israel reappeared as a nation in the 20th century after not existing for 1,900 years?
The view that Israel and the church are different is clearly taught in the New Testament. Biblically speaking, the church is distinct from Israel, and the terms church and Israel are never to be confused or used interchangeably. We are taught from Scripture that the church is an entirely new creation that came into being on the day of Pentecost and will continue until it is taken to heaven at the rapture (Ephesians 1:9–11; 1 Thessalonians 4:13–17). The church has no relationship to the curses and blessings for Israel. The covenants, promises, and warnings of the Mosaic Covenant were valid only for Israel. Israel has been temporarily set aside in God’s program during these past 2,000 years of dispersion (see Romans 11).
Contrary to replacement theology, dispensationalism teaches that, after the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13–18), God will restore Israel as the primary focus of His plan. The first event at this time is the tribulation (Revelation chapters 6–19). The world will be judged for rejecting Christ, while Israel is prepared through the trials of the great tribulation for the second coming of the Messiah. Then, when Christ does return to the earth at the end of the tribulation, Israel will be ready to receive Him. The remnant of Israel who survive the tribulation will be saved, and the Lord will establish His kingdom on this earth with Jerusalem as its capital. With Christ reigning as King, Israel will be the leading nation, and representatives from all nations will come to Jerusalem to honor and worship the King—Jesus Christ. The church will return with Christ and will reign with Him for a literal thousand years (Revelation 20:1–5).
Both the Old Testament and the New Testament support a premillennial/dispensational understanding of God’s plan for Israel. The strongest support for premillennialism is found in the clear teaching of Revelation 20:1–7, where it says six times that Christ’s kingdom will last 1,000 years. After the tribulation the Lord will return and establish His kingdom with the nation of Israel, Christ will reign over the whole earth, and Israel will be the leader of the nations. The church will reign with Him for a literal thousand years. The church has not replaced Israel in God's plan. While God may be focusing His attention primarily on the church in this dispensation of grace, God has not forgotten Israel and will one day restore Israel to His intended role as the nation He has chosen (Romans 11).
Replacement theology teaches that the church is the replacement for Israel and that the many promises made to Israel in the Bible are fulfilled in the Christian church, not in Israel. The prophecies in Scripture concerning the blessing and restoration of Israel to the Promised Land are spiritualized or allegorized into promises of God’s blessing for the church. Major problems exist with this view, such as the continuing existence of the Jewish people throughout the centuries and especially with the revival of the modern state of Israel. If Israel has been condemned by God and there is no future for the Jewish nation, how do we explain the supernatural survival of the Jewish people over the past 2,000 years despite the many attempts to destroy them? How do we explain why and how Israel reappeared as a nation in the 20th century after not existing for 1,900 years?
The view that Israel and the church are different is clearly taught in the New Testament. Biblically speaking, the church is distinct from Israel, and the terms church and Israel are never to be confused or used interchangeably. We are taught from Scripture that the church is an entirely new creation that came into being on the day of Pentecost and will continue until it is taken to heaven at the rapture (Ephesians 1:9–11; 1 Thessalonians 4:13–17). The church has no relationship to the curses and blessings for Israel. The covenants, promises, and warnings of the Mosaic Covenant were valid only for Israel. Israel has been temporarily set aside in God’s program during these past 2,000 years of dispersion (see Romans 11).
Contrary to replacement theology, dispensationalism teaches that, after the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13–18), God will restore Israel as the primary focus of His plan. The first event at this time is the tribulation (Revelation chapters 6–19). The world will be judged for rejecting Christ, while Israel is prepared through the trials of the great tribulation for the second coming of the Messiah. Then, when Christ does return to the earth at the end of the tribulation, Israel will be ready to receive Him. The remnant of Israel who survive the tribulation will be saved, and the Lord will establish His kingdom on this earth with Jerusalem as its capital. With Christ reigning as King, Israel will be the leading nation, and representatives from all nations will come to Jerusalem to honor and worship the King—Jesus Christ. The church will return with Christ and will reign with Him for a literal thousand years (Revelation 20:1–5).
Both the Old Testament and the New Testament support a premillennial/dispensational understanding of God’s plan for Israel. The strongest support for premillennialism is found in the clear teaching of Revelation 20:1–7, where it says six times that Christ’s kingdom will last 1,000 years. After the tribulation the Lord will return and establish His kingdom with the nation of Israel, Christ will reign over the whole earth, and Israel will be the leader of the nations. The church will reign with Him for a literal thousand years. The church has not replaced Israel in God's plan. While God may be focusing His attention primarily on the church in this dispensation of grace, God has not forgotten Israel and will one day restore Israel to His intended role as the nation He has chosen (Romans 11).
prophecy70
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Find the rapture, 7 year tribulation and rebuilt temple in the Bible. I'm still looking for the verse.
Peter was speaking about a couple of months after Jesus told them this, so presumably he knew what Jesus meant. If you say Peter and Paul are wrong, you must be saying the Bible contradicts itself.
But no one answered my question. No one has shown PROOF tyhe Gospel was preached in ancient japan, Australia, etc. nor shown there were Japanese in Jerusalem in the 1st C. AD.
I'm not picking on Japan. I cite that nation as its ancient history is well-documented, and several members here, such as John of Japan, have extensive knowledge of its history.
prophecy70
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Then explain what the verses mean that David showed you.
Rant, the subject of this thread is PRETERISM.
But I agree that supersessionism is false & man-made.
Now, what do you have to say about PRETERISM?
The "rapture" verses have been repeatedly posted.
The trib will actually last some 3.5 years or less. Jesus said its time would be cut short lest all flesh perish.
As for the new temple, it's there by clear implication, same as the rebuilt Jerusalem is. We all know J & the temple were destroyed, just as Jesus prophesied, but Jesus mentions events that have or will occur later in Jerusalem, which, of course, was obviously rebuilt. And in the Rev, He mentions events that'll occur in the temple, as well as mentioning the AOD in Matthew 24, which will occur in it. Those events didn't occur in old J or the old temple, so they will hafta occur in the new ones.
prophecy70
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Nah you make it up as you go. There is no rapture in the Bible. No third temple.
prophecy70
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The talking donkey in the Bible is even more clean then a made up rapture.
Just show me the money.
People can say ANYTHING, but without PROOF, it's just soundwaves.
Remember, BIBLICAL faith is substance & evidence. Let's see substance & evidence that there were Japanese in Jerusalem in the 1st century, or Christians in Japan at that time.
Peter was preaching to Jews who'd come from every nation wherever Jews had lived, and were known to the apostles. There's nothing indicating the apostles knew anything about the people of Japan or the western hemisphere.
You just don't know the Bible.
And you heven't posted one word of proof that preterism is anything but false.
And I think at times there are some TYPING donkeys here.
The question of the gospel going out to all the world was raised by you to supposedly show that preterism can't be true, and I showed you that the scriptures say that it did,
The world in scripture does not always mean all the world, or you would have to say that everybody in the world went after Jesus,
- John 12:19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.
I would say that Peter and Paul meant 'all the world' in the manner Jesus did, but you work it out.
prophecy70
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ROFL. The gospel according to robycop3. Complete with Nutz and Boltz
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So you still haven't answered,
- Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
Start a new thread if you wish.
Metaphorical language meaning wherever the Jews had settled after they were dispersed. These people were the descendants of those that were carried away, captive, at different times, and into different places.
The intent is not "everybody everywhere" but "all the places the Jews had settled."
The intent is not "everybody everywhere" but "all the places the Jews had settled."
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