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Again? Explain the pudding.
My futurist view starts with Matthew 24:29-31. And ten other occurrences of this prophecy.
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Preterists Cannot Prove Their Assertions !
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My futurist view starts with Matthew 24:29-31. And ten other occurrences of this prophecy.
Can you tell us when the olivet prophecy changes from the historical to the future? Quote from all three not only Matthew, the futurists favourite..
You say it will be a chip. In the past it was said to be the barcode.Both forget that it has to be in the forehead and the right hand. It is the sign of the cross imposed on babies on their forehead, and given by Catholics and fellow travellers when they cross themselves with the right hand starting from the forehead. In the dark ages it was forbidden to buy or sell unless they had that mark. Even in the last century I was told that a missionary in Italy said his members were evicted from their houses or lost their jobs because the priests put pressure on the landlords and employers.
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I'll have to get back to you on Monday. Have a great weekend, Brother.
As I said sun moon and stars in prophecy refer to people. Leading people and rulers. We refer to people as stars today, Film Stars, Baseball Stars, Football stars, etc.
Good night all.
Agreed. When we meet the Lord in the air it will end history.
The tribulation beginning in AD66 was immediately followed by the demise of the Jewish leaders, the High Priest, the Sanhedrin, and the priesthood, the Sun Moon and Stars of the Jewish state.
Shooting stars are not meteors but meterorites.
Bon nuit.
Matt. 24:14-31
Mark 13:10, 12-27
Luke 21:10-11, 16-19, 25-28
See, that wasn't so hard!
MMRRPP ! WRONG!
The great trib hasn't yet happened. IUf it has, then Matt. 24:29-30 are incorrect. I'll go with JESUS' WORDS, not the musings of some quack pret author.
MMRRPP! WRONG AGAIN ! !
They're METEORS til they land, THEN they're meteorites.
It is history up to verse 36 when Jesus passes from the discussion about the Temple being destroyed to answering Matthew's question "and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" which was nothing to do with the original teaching of Jesus which began in Matthew 23.
- Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
So lets have a look at your proof texts.
- Mattew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
- Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
- 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
- Mark 13';10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
- 11But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
- 12Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
- 13And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
- 14But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
- 15And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
- 16And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
- 17But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
- 18And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
- 19For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
- 20And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
- 21And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
- 22For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
- 23But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
- 24But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
- 25And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
- 26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Luke 21:10-11, 16-19, 25-28
Are you saying that those verses are future and 12-15, 20-24 are history.?
Meteorites are space dust and pebbles. Meteors are large rocks, Either was they have nothing to do wit stars falling.
MMRRPP! WRONG!
Meteors have been called "falling stars" or "shooting stars" since time immemorial. Jesus simply used a contemporary description, rather than explaining what they really will be.
Any history of the Gospel being found in ancient Japan, China, Australia, Pacific islands, etc?
The mass betrayals among family members, etc. is still future, of course, although it's always gone on to a small extent for millenia.
And all the eschatological events are still future. these are HUGE events, &, had they already happened, history would not have missed them. Truth is, the world has gone right on as usual, same as it was in 67 AD, 70 AD, or 71 AD. The only changes were brought about by man's technology.
And I betcha you can't prove otherwise!
And the subject Jesus changed to was the time of His return.
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In conclusion for this thread, I believe we have shown that preterism is false. We see that, as prets cannot find any historical evidence for the past fulfillment of the eschatological prophecies, they try to hide behind a cover of reducing "inconvenient" Scriptures to "symbolic" status. "Inconvenient" Scriptures for them are those covering the "beast/antichrist", the great trib, marka the beast, and for full prets, the return of Jesus as described by Jesus Himself.
I can't understand why men keep on trying to fool themselves by claiming to believe all those prophesied events have already occurred, when, plainly, they have NOT.
Apparently, preterism began in the 1st century. It was false then, and is still false now, & will continue to be false til those prophesied events actually do occur. Paul dealt with it in the 1st century by writing these words:
2 Thess.2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Now, those old Thessalonians knew that event hadn't occurred, and WE know it STILL hasn't yet occurred. And it WON'T occur til the Jews build a new temple in Jerusalem. That's STARK REALITY,Sportzz Fanzz! And we know Jesus said, in essence, "When you see the AOD, WATCH OUT! The great trib is coming very shortly!"
And we know Jesus said that great trib will be the worst series of disasters to ever hit mankind, and will never be surpassed in intensity. Thus, it'll be worse than the 2 world war, the nazi holocaust, the great Tokyo earthquake of 1931, the several floods of the Yangtze river in China, the great flu pandemic of 1918, Stalin's purges, the bubonic plague pandemics of Europe, the various tsunamis worldwide, and sundry other disasters. The Revelation describes many of its details in the coming judgments of the trumpets, seals, and bowls of wrath. Again, prets try to restrict this trib to the Jews only, but even if that were true, the nazi holocaust was much-worse on Jewdom than the sacking of Jerusalem was.
Simplt truth is, PRETERISM IS MAN-MADE AND FALSE, just another of Satan's lies & deceptions, intended to make light of Jesus' coming return, and to cast doubt upon this event's future occurrence.
I can't understand why men keep on trying to fool themselves by claiming to believe all those prophesied events have already occurred, when, plainly, they have NOT.
Apparently, preterism began in the 1st century. It was false then, and is still false now, & will continue to be false til those prophesied events actually do occur. Paul dealt with it in the 1st century by writing these words:
2 Thess.2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Now, those old Thessalonians knew that event hadn't occurred, and WE know it STILL hasn't yet occurred. And it WON'T occur til the Jews build a new temple in Jerusalem. That's STARK REALITY,Sportzz Fanzz! And we know Jesus said, in essence, "When you see the AOD, WATCH OUT! The great trib is coming very shortly!"
And we know Jesus said that great trib will be the worst series of disasters to ever hit mankind, and will never be surpassed in intensity. Thus, it'll be worse than the 2 world war, the nazi holocaust, the great Tokyo earthquake of 1931, the several floods of the Yangtze river in China, the great flu pandemic of 1918, Stalin's purges, the bubonic plague pandemics of Europe, the various tsunamis worldwide, and sundry other disasters. The Revelation describes many of its details in the coming judgments of the trumpets, seals, and bowls of wrath. Again, prets try to restrict this trib to the Jews only, but even if that were true, the nazi holocaust was much-worse on Jewdom than the sacking of Jerusalem was.
Simplt truth is, PRETERISM IS MAN-MADE AND FALSE, just another of Satan's lies & deceptions, intended to make light of Jesus' coming return, and to cast doubt upon this event's future occurrence.
37818
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Please explain your hermeneutic by which that must be the understanding in Matthew 24:29-31; Revelation 612.
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