Kyred pt2
That really ticks me off. In no way do the Primitive Baptists 'deny the Biblical God'
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Your example of the mosquito bite being random, or chance does not fit scripture...
Psalm 104;
104 Bless the Lord, O my soul. O Lord my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.
2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment:
who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:
4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
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Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment:
the waters stood above the mountains.
7
At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.
8
They go up by the mountains;
they go down by the valleys
unto the place which thou hast founded for them.
9
Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.
10
He sendeth the springs into the valleys, which run among the hills.
11
They give drink to every beast of the field: the wild asses quench their thirst.
12 By
them shall the fowls of the heaven have their habitation, which sing among the branches.
13
He watereth the hills from his chambers: the earth is satisfied with the fruit of thy works.
14
He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle,
and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth;
15 And
wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.
16 The trees of the Lord are full of sap; the cedars of Lebanon, which he hath planted;
17 Where the birds make their nests: as for the stork, the fir trees are her house.
18 The high hills are a refuge for the wild goats; and the rocks for the conies.
19
He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.
20 Thou makest darkness, and it is night: wherein all the beasts of the forest do creep forth.
21
The young lions roar after their prey, and
seek their meat from God.22 The sun ariseth, they gather themselves together, and lay them down in their dens.
23 Man goeth forth unto his work and to his labour until the evening.
24 O Lord, how manifold are thy works!
in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.
25
So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts.
26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.
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These wait all upon thee; that thou mayest give them their meat in due season.
28 That thou givest them they gather: thou openest thine hand, they are filled with good.
29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.
30
Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.
31 The glory of the Lord shall endure for ever: the Lord shall rejoice in his works.
32 He looketh on the earth, and it trembleth:
he toucheth the hills, and they smoke.
33 I will sing unto the Lord as long as I live: I will sing praise to my God while I have my being.
34 My meditation of him shall be sweet: I will be glad in the Lord.
35 Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. Bless thou the Lord, O my soul. Praise ye the Lord.
Where do you see in this psalm alone that God is not in control of the whole universe, plants, water, animals, angels,man. God in scripture is creator sustainer ,redeemer and judge.
The good predestination verses you offered are fine, I agree with them. That does not mean that men are not fully responsible which these links all deny.
God withheld abimelech from sinning by a dream,
herod was smitten and eaten of worms;
1 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them.
22 And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.
23
And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.24 But the word of God grew and multiplied.
Where is God not sovereign absolutely even over the unsaved?
115 Not unto us, O Lord, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, and for thy truth's sake.
2 Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God?
3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
This is a downright arrogant, ignorant misrepresentation on your part to make such a statement.
I did not write the mistaken link. To say something exists that God is not in control of, or does not know about is grave error. If you personally do not hold to the teaching in those links ,fine. the links deny these truths.
When God destroyed the world of the ungodly by the flood , or the sodomites at the time of Lot....he did so to preserve the godly line. Even looking at the protection of the elect in this wasy...it still affected the ungodly....this was their appointed time of death.
You can look at predestination in regards to the elect....but it affects all creation. There is no way around it.
I'm getting to dislike Puritans more and more on account of you. Perhaps you're not doing such a good job of representing them? Or are they really this judgmental?
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Like I said earlier.I speak as one person...I am not a spokesman for anyone else but I will defend reformed Baptists view when they are falsely accused by these links and those who post them. Are you a spokesmen for the posted links?
You mean the one with, "[The Calvinistic view of perseverance] fosters a climate of condescension and judgmentalism",? No matter, it hit the nail on the head.
These two posts look like you have an ax to grind.
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Declaring the end from the beginning’, and, ‘working all things after the counsel of his own will’ is not the predestination of all things.
What God has ordained and decreed will certainly come to pass. This is undeniable if anyone wants to profess the orthodox Christian faith. he sustains everything in this universe ,past , present and future by the word of His power.
Nothing contained in those passages shows that God predestined from eternity for the mosquito to bite you. You absoluters go beyond what is written and read too much into it which causes unnecessary and unprofitable controversy, and set yourselves up as if you know the mind of God, which is the height of arrogance. And then you’ve
Simon, Simon, behold, Satan asked to have you, that he might sift you as wheat: Lu 22:31
Icon, what's your opinion on this? Was it a decree in the mind of God before the foundation of the world before Satan was even created that Satan would cause Peter to stumble in this manner?
You can answer this question by yourself can't you? If it came to pass it was decreed by God, as it was decreed that Jesus prayer would sustain Peter.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
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But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
prayer means something....God ordains the means as well as the end ..
And Jehovah said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thy hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of Jehovah. Job 1:12
And Jehovah said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thy hand; only spare his life. Job 2:6
Or Job. Was it a decree in the mind of God before the foundation of the world before Satan was even created that Job would be handed over to Satan in this manner?
Yes it was....do you think it caught God by surprise???? Do you think God ever goes to plan B???
