Private Prayer language

[Ben1445]

You have not experienced speaking in tongues, so you seem to enjoy bashing it.

Ive never been run over by a truck either and I will warn people not to do that either.

All you need to say is you do not speak in tongues and question the practice of it.

I also warn people against the pretense of mumbling senseless spirituality.

Instead you attack it.

It may seem that way if I’m stepping on your toes.
I see it as earnestly contending for the faith.

If there is still a valid, biblical, spiritual gift of speaking and praying in tongues, your hostility toward it is clearly in opposition to the Holy Spirit.

You don’t even have the faith to claim that it is valid. You are merely superstitious.

We must be very careful not to offend the Holy Spirit, just because we have not experienced something described in the scriptures.

We may not test the spirits? We may not beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing?

Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Corinthians 14

2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. [PRIVATE PRAYER LANGUAGE - the significance is understood by God]

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. [PRIVATE PRAYER LANGUAGE]

You may repeat it often but a lie is still a lie. Tongues in Scripture is not about confusion. It is for understanding. It is also not for the believer. It is a sign for the unbeliever and therefore has no place in private prayer of Christians.

 

[Ben1445]

Here is what Paul said:

There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning.

He most certainly did and you passed it right by even quoting him.

 

[Ben1445]

It is envy although you deny it.

And how many hail Mary’s would you have me say for my sins, father Jon?


You don’t know what envy is. And you certainly don’t know what I am thinking.

But while you are thinking about it, have you repented of your envying your neighbor? No doubt you will deny that you envy your neighbors wife but you do.


It would be ridiculous if i meant that and you would be incensed and rightly so.
You are telling me that I am envious of what I consider to be a work of the devil distracting Christians by calling confusion a work of God.

Again, being at a loss for words is not babbling.
You guys keep falling back on that like that is what I am talking about and I have already said that it is not.

 

[JonC]

He most certainly did and you passed it right by even quoting him.

No, he did not.

Paul said that that the one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.

This is the topic.

You keep drifting to Paul's instructions in the congregation.

This is what Paul said -

There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning. If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me.

This does not nullify what Paul had said earlier in the chapter. It is dealing with the congregation.

Paul does not say "tongues are a language common to man". He explains why speaking in tongues without an interpreter is improper.

You are ignoring that the one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.

You are ignoring the edification of the spirit by only highlighting the edification of the mind.

 

[JonC]

And how many hail Mary’s would you have me say for my sins, father Jon?


You don’t know what envy is. And you certainly don’t know what I am thinking.

But while you are thinking about it, have you repented of your envying your neighbor? No doubt you will deny that you envy your neighbors wife but you do.


It would be ridiculous if i meant that and you would be incensed and rightly so.
You are telling me that I am envious of what I consider to be a work of the devil distracting Christians by calling confusion a work of God.

Again, being at a loss for words is not babbling.
You guys keep falling back on that like that is what I am talking about and I have already said that it is not.

I wouldn't. Your sin is against God, not me.

You chose to ignore parts of His Word. You chose to judge the servants of Another.

There is no "me" in your sin.

 

[Ascetic X]

It may seem that way if I’m stepping on your toes.
I see it as earnestly contending for the faith.



We may not test the spirits?

Your frenzy to attack something you have never experienced is not testing spirits.

You keep forgetting that I do not speak in tongues, so you are not stepping on my toes.

Attacking 1 Corinthians 14 is not contending for the faith.

You may repeat it often but a lie is still a lie. Tongues in Scripture is not about confusion. It is for understanding. It is also not for the believer. It is a sign for the unbeliever and therefore has no place in private prayer of Christians.

You are calling scriptures a lie.

You persist in saying the opposite of what the scriptures say.

You have now gone to the blasphemous extreme of calling speaking in tongues a work of the devil, when Paul said it is a gift of the Spirit.


Corinthians 14

2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.


14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

 

[Ben1445]

You answer to God for you.

I’m with Paul on this one.

1 Corinthians 14:15
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

 

[Ben1445]

Your frenzy to attack something you have never experienced is not testing spirits.

This is drama.

Don’t ever tell someone not to do something that you have never done.

Don’t tell kids not get hit by cars, unless you have been hit by a car and have the experience to know it is not good.