So God became a created being?
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Pro-KJV but not a KJO
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37818
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So was not Jesus really born human? God being His Father instead of a human father.
He was and is God man
Here is my understanding from your response:
1) the second phrase of Colossians 1:15 refers to God in the flesh.
2) Yes Jesus became, with His bodily resurrection, the first born of the New Creation.
3) No, first born does not refer to God in the flesh being the foremost of all creation.
If this does not reflect your actual view, sorry but I did my best.
Alan Gross
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from: The Difference between "Inspiration" and "Preservation"
"...I tried to emphasize the need to avoid both the extreme of "preservation is not taught in Scripture" and that of "preservation only applies to the King James Bible." [For a decent overview of which Scriptures passages do, and probably do not, teach preservation, see William Combs' article here]. In the process, I emphasized some key differences between the two:
Inspiration:
1. Is supernatural (personally, directly guided by the Holy Spirit),
2. Cannot involve mistakes,
3. Involved special people,
4. Does not continue once the Canon is completed,
5. Involved three languages.
Preservation:
1. Uses secondary means (may be Spirit-led, but not Spirit-inspired; people led by the Spirit still obviously make mistakes),
2. Involves human mistakes (see, for example, 2Kings 22:8; either human error or malicious intent had let to the Word of God being temporarily set aside; however, it was not permanently lost and cannot be permanently lost),
3. Involves all Christians everywhere (of various competency!)
4. Continues until Jesus' 2nd Coming (and maybe beyond?)
5. Involves all languages
The take-away from this is that you, personally, dear Christian, are involved in preservation (i.e., it's not something unique to the KJV translators, or those of any other translation, for that matter). Every time you quote Scripture to a brother or sister in Christ, every time you teach your children God's Word, every time you witness to a co-worker, every time you memorize the Bible--in all those instances, you, personally, are involved in preservation (regardless of how "good" or "competent" you are, and regardless of whether or not you make mistakes).
So, Christian, get busy preserving God's Word!
I leave you with this quote which demonstrates that the King James translators themselves had solid grasp of the fact that their new translation was not the only preserved Word of God:
"Now to the latter we answer, that we do not deny, nay we affirm and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English set forth by men of our profession contained the word of God, nay, is the word of God: as the King's speech which he uttered in Parliament, being translated in French, Dutch, Italian, and Latin, is still the King's speech, though it be not interpreted by every translator with the like grace, nor peradventure, so fitly for phrase, or so expressly for sense, everywhere."
(From “The Translators to the Reader,” the preface to the King James Bible)
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I believe in The Full Preservation of The Inspiration.
לֹ֥֖א תִּֿרְצָֽ֖ח׃ means, "you shall murder not" and is inspired.
trə-ṣāḥ [URL='https://biblehub.com/hebrew/lo_3808.htm']lō[/URL]
"Thou Shalt not kill" is inspired.
"Do not murder" is inspired.
"It is O.K. to kill an human baby" is NOT inspired.
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"Inspiration" does not always run in the same tracks, i.e. the Hebrew, written in Hebrew is Inspired, as well as, The 1611, and later revision and other translations, in English, and other lanuges that say, "Do Not Murder".
That "Inspiration" is CONTAINED within The Words God Has Spoken and Had Written to be Preserved.
The Preservation results from Spirit Lead Comparision, by God's people, of the available manuscripts.
Of all the Modern Bibles that had gross mistranslations when they first came out and similar denials and ommissions of Jesus Pre-Existance, Deity, Virgin Birth, Lordship, etc., etc., that are found in The False-Jehovah Witnesses translation, MANY have been edited back and corrected.
God's people wouldn't have those errors.
They are still out there in many Modern Bibles.
The Modern Bibles' biggest flaw is the over-emphesis and dependance on knowingly corrupted and spurious texts, such as The Codex Vadicanious, and Codex Sinaiticus.
Those two manuscriptes disagree with one another over three thousand times in The Gospels, alone.
That is a lot of disagreement.
They were 'physically' preserved and are old, because no one used them, because they knew they were junk (and found in the garbage).
The Codex Vadicanious, and Codex Sinaiticus were refernced by the KJV Tranlators, but with the causion of know THEY DENY JESUS, EVERYWHERE THEY CAN = DEMONIC.
Jesus can still be Preached and souls Saved from Modern Bibles, but they are lacking in credibility, for this reason and many others.
We need an English Bible written.
I write the Bible without the Elizabethan influence and captalize Deity, when I find it, like The King James Purple points out.
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God:
2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send My messenger before Thy face, who shall prepare Thy way before Thee.
3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make His paths straight.
37818
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A popular misnomer. He is fully God and fully an immortal Man. Not half God half man. God is not man, Hosea 11:9 and a man is not God, 1 Timoty 2:5.
Jesus is fully God and Man, as God took on human flesh and sinless human nature!
37818
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Jesus being the Christ, Ephesians 5:5.
So I think we are saying the flesh of Christ can be called creation, but of course His divine Spirit is eternal and not creation. So God in the flesh can be said to be foremost of all creation, without suggesting the Second Person of the Trinity was created.
He is the Messiah, and God in the flesh.
37818
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Christ = Messiah = God in the flesh. But the flesh is not God, John 4:24, John 20:17, Luke 24:39, Hosea 11:9.
Jesus was fully God, so his flesh was that of God!
37818
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Of God, but the flesh was not in any way God, John 4:24. God is only God. And God is not the man, 1 Timothy 2:5. The Son of God is both. The Father is not the Son.
Both of them are equally Yahweh!
What are you saying about his flesh not being God then?
37818
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Because they, the Father and Son of God, are the one and the same God.
37818
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No, because God never changed. Now the Son of God did change to become a created being by being born a man by way of His human mother's virgin birth. Now as God, the Son of God did not change. John 1:2-3 is why. The how? How He was with God cbanged, not that He "was God."
37818
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God is immutable, He never changes.