Proper Sunday Dress

[salzer mtn]

I wasn't asking Don, I'm asking you.



I don't want to talk about pants on women. You said that people should wear their best clothes to worship.

9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

What do you say about women wearing their "Sunday best" and wearing jewelry in light of this verse? Taken literally, it seems to say that women should NOT wear their best clothes, should NOT wear jewelry. So why don't we hear preaching against this?

Go back to my post where i put up a commentary by Gill on this subject and that is my answer.

 

[mont974x4]

The danger of studing theology and becoming a rank theologian is that you rely on a system instead of scripture. It seems by all the replies to my post that you people are Antominians, without the law of Christ as a rule of life. You totally ignore any scripture that deals with man's character and conduct and just dismiss it as false doctrine. You pick and strain at knats like accusing me of putting down women. Go back and look at my post, what did i have to say about man,or mankind in general. You boast about one another and say you could not or you would not do certain things. He that thinketh he standeth, take heed lest he fall. It's not falling from grace as i guess you assume i believe but God sure can chastize a person.

How many times are you going to tell this lie?

 

[michael-acts17:11]

Don has already commented on 1 Tim 2:9 to your satisfaction. Lest just say for the sake of argument that pants in themselves are not a sinful garment. There is nothing unclean of itself. But if you take that garment and put it on a well developed woman and those pants become skin tight, you now have a object for a man's temptation. Christ said, but i say unto you, if a man looks on a woman to lust after her in his heart, he has already committed adultry. So if it is a christian woman that wore the pants, she is a partaker of his evil deed. You can tell a man that upholds false doctrine, God bless you and accourding to 2 john 11 you are a partaker of his false doctrine.

So, you admit that pants aren't evil, only skin tight pants. Hmmmmm. Then women shouldn't be allowed to wear dresses because they can be worn too tight. You are woefully inconsistent with your own beliefs. If you were, then you would only wear the clothing of Jesus' time. Pants on men are as Scriptural as pants on women. Thanks for displaying your inability to think through your own beliefs apart from the fundamentalist indoctrination.

 

[annsni]

The danger of studing theology and becoming a rank theologian is that you rely on a system instead of scripture. It seems by all the replies to my post that you people are Antominians, without the law of Christ as a rule of life. You totally ignore any scripture that deals with man's character and conduct and just dismiss it as false doctrine. You pick and strain at knats like accusing me of putting down women. Go back and look at my post, what did i have to say about man,or mankind in general. You boast about one another and say you could not or you would not do certain things. He that thinketh he standeth, take heed lest he fall. It's not falling from grace as i guess you assume i believe but God sure can chastize a person.

See, we see Scripture as saying that WE are responsible for our sin.

You are seeing Scripture as saying someone else is to blame.

At least that is what you are saying here on this thread.

None of us ignore the Scriptural mandates on how we are to live in Christ. But we don't put artificial, unbiblical rules in place of God's Word.

 

[Arbo]

It seems by all the replies to my post that you people are Antominians, without the law of Christ as a rule of life. You totally ignore any scripture...

Someone's off to a good start...

 

[michael-acts17:11]

The danger of studing theology and becoming a rank theologian is that you rely on a system instead of scripture. It seems by all the replies to my post that you people are Antominians, without the law of Christ as a rule of life. You totally ignore any scripture that deals with man's character and conduct and just dismiss it as false doctrine. You pick and strain at knats like accusing me of putting down women. Go back and look at my post, what did i have to say about man,or mankind in general. You boast about one another and say you could not or you would not do certain things. He that thinketh he standeth, take heed lest he fall. It's not falling from grace as i guess you assume i believe but God sure can chastize a person.

Yet another admission of your own immaturity & display of your own arrogance. Do you even understand that theology is the study of God? Have you ever read that we are to study to show ourselves approved unto God? We study the Scriptures so that we may come to a fuller understanding of every aspect of God's will & instructions for our lives. If you are against theology, then you are boasting in your own ignorance while judging the motives & intents of the hearts of others. You are putting yourself in a very dangerous place when you assume to have authority & understanding which only God possesses.

You are also acting like a liberal. Liberals come up with pet names with which they love to label anyone who disagrees with them; racist, sexist, homophobe, etc... Your constant use of the word Antinomians as baseless attack on others is tiresome & juvenile. You actually sound paranoid. Antinomians are everywhere, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!!

P.S. You don't even know how to spell antinomians.

 

[mont974x4]

Back on topic:


John Piper has a DVD called Gravity and Gladness. In it he discusses worship. The part that is important for us in this discussion is an ideal that he presents in the DVD (and I have read it from him in other places) is the desire to be good enough to not be a distraction. If the choir (or praise team) is horrible its a distraction to those trying to enjoy corporate worship. If the choir is so good, or if their attitude is off, then that too can be a distraction. I would suggest the same may be true for clothes, and our appearance in general. I am not a suit guy. So when I preach in a suit, and its not a special occasion, it's a distraction. If I was a suit guy and I showed up to preach in jeans and a t-shirt it would be a distraction. When I preach at the rescue mission I choose clothes that will not be a distraction (especially if the distraction is the idea of me being better than the people I want to reach).

Dress so as not to be a distraction. Consider your cultural context and let God convict you accordingly.

This is an area of Christian liberty. Use that liberty wisely for God's glory and the edification of the saints.

 

[annsni]

Do you even understand that theology is the study of God? Have you ever read that we are to study to show ourselves approved unto God? We study the Scriptures so that we may come to a fuller understanding of every aspect of God's will & instructions for our lives.

:thumbs:

Man, I'd HOPE that we are all theologians!!! I want to study God's Word and be His student. I want to know more and more about Him through His revealed Word. I don't understand being against that.

 

[mont974x4]

Theologian is a bad word in many circles today. So is doctrine. God told us, through Paul, that these days would come.

 

[salzer mtn]

The danger of studing theology and becoming a rank theologian is that you can rely on a system instead of scripture. It seems by all the replies to my post that you people are Antominians, without the law of Christ as a rule of life. You totally ignore any scripture that deals with man's character and conduct and just dismiss it as false doctrine. You pick and strain at knats like accusing me of putting down women. Go back and look at my post, what did i have to say about man,or mankind in general. You boast about one another and say you could not or you would not do certain things. He that thinketh he standeth, take heed lest he fall. It's not falling from grace as i guess you assume i believe but God sure can chastize a person.

One can become a theologian in any doctrine. John Welsey was a theologian but was he right ? no he was wrong. So he relied upon his system too and ignored scripture. Antonomians have theologians but they too ignore scripture, so you see just because i used the word theologian you people went wild with your accusations and name calling, and belittlements. You all claim to be grown men and women in Christ but you throw fits and hissies when someone disagrees with you. This will be my last post on this subject and i know the us crowd will be waiting in the wings to crusify me once again if i ever do post again, which i doubt.

 

[annsni]

One can become a theologian in any doctrine. John Welsey was a theologian but was he right ? no he was wrong. So he relied upon his system too and ignored scripture. Antonomians have theologians but they too ignore scripture, so you see just because i used the word theologian you people went wild with your accusations and name calling, and belittlements. You all claim to be grown men and women in Christ but you throw fits and hissies when someone disagrees with you. This will be my last post on this subject and i know the us crowd will be waiting in the wings to crusify me once again if i ever do post again, which i doubt.

Man, paranoid much? I think it's good that you are stepping away from this subject because it seems that you can't handle the discussion. :laugh:

 

[Mexdeaf]

One can become a theologian in any doctrine. John Welsey was a theologian but was he right ? no he was wrong. So he relied upon his system too and ignored scripture. Antonomians have theologians but they too ignore scripture, so you see just because i used the word theologian you people went wild with your accusations and name calling, and belittlements. You all claim to be grown men and women in Christ but you throw fits and hissies when someone disagrees with you. This will be my last post on this subject and i know the us crowd will be waiting in the wings to crusify me once again if i ever do post again, which i doubt.

I've been wanting to use this line for soooo long-

"Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya."

 

[InTheLight]

Go back to my post where i put up a commentary by Gill on this subject and that is my answer.

OK, so according to Gill, dress should be:

right and proper
consistent with chastity
not immodest
not like the attire of an harlot
moderate and modest
suitable to age and station in life
not beyond their circumstances
not worn with pride or overly luxurious

All vague and non-specific guidelines.

So, I'll ask again, given what 1 Tim 2:9 says about women and hairdos, gold and pearls, and expensive clothes, is it OK in the sight of God for women to get all dressed up and wear jewelry to church? Yes or no?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

This type of dress would cause Mr. Ed to lust after horseflesh I'm sure...:tongue3:

Talk about adding insult to injury! And it is just wrong.:laugh:

 

[salzer mtn]

I think we should dress neither to impress or to offend.

I decided to come back through the door. It seems you do agree with me. You use the word offend. What garmet that might offend you ( and it's obvious some kind of garment does or you wouldn't have posted this) may not offend me and vs / versa.

 

[salzer mtn]

Churches should enforce a dress code. A very strict one meaning all men, women, & children are to be dressed formally. The women & girls especially need to dress accordingly in long dresses or long skirts that are below the knee, no sleeveless anything, no tank tops, etc. Make up & jewelry should be a big no no. Hair should be long & covered. Women & girls: church is NOT a fashion show. Women & girls should continue this practice of dressing properly for church as well as at home everyday. Everyday. Women & girls dress standards are to be different then men & boys. If the women & girls are not doing these things then its up to the man to enforce this at church & home. If the women & girls don't listen then the man should leave them at home until they wise up. There are ways to do this. If they refuse then the man is not truly the head of the home as he is commanded to be. Something is horribly wrong in the home. Sin runs amuck with rebellion. Men: get control of your women folk! I appreciate my parents teaching me how to behave accordingly. I appreciate my husband doing the same.

Men & boys should be dressed in suit & tie. They should have short hair. If one does not comply they should be asked to leave. Plain & simple. Many churches don't enforce these rules. I think it's horrible what people wear at church. It's distracting & unbiblical.

AMEN, The problem of the church world today they want to look hip to draw people to their church, or it's total rebellion again any authority.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I decided to come back through the door. It seems you do agree with me. You use the word offend. What garmet that might offend you ( and it's obvious some kind of garment does or you wouldn't have posted this) may not offend me and vs / versa.

Well welcome back......certainly you have no problem with my wearing a kilt. But you will have to convene and write policy about if I wear anything underneath. Right.:laugh:

 

[Don]

Salzer - how come you won't search out the scriptures with me or In the Light? Iron sharpeneth iron.

You know, I was like you, not that long ago. The pastor taught me that what we wore was important, and I in turn preached that message. Then I came across a young man named Tyrel, whose eyesight was bad; he couldn't play baseball because he couldn't see the ball, but basketballs were big enough. So he would go down to the "nasty" part of town and play basketball with the thugs, the druggies, and the criminals; and between games, he would read gospel tracts to them. He'd have to hold the tract practically touching his nose; he told me that the first time he did it, he got surprised because he finished the tract and moved it away from his face, and all the guys he'd been playing with and reading to were listening to him. He'd expected most of them to simply leave. On Thursday nights, Tyrel would go out with me as we visited other teen-agers, and helped me lead more than one young man to the Lord.

But one day, Tyrel's parents allowed him to dye his hair a different color. The pastor sat Tyrel down and talked to him about dressing like the world, and allowing the world to influence him, and started questioning his salvation; and ended by saying that Tyrel could no longer represent the church in any capacity. Tyrel was devastated; he couldn't understand how or why his hair color meant he was headed for hell; or why it meant he wasn't allowed to preach Jesus.

That pastor literally destroyed that young man's spirit. I have no doubt Tyrel is saved, because I believe that once saved, always saved; but Tyrel was knocked out of the Lord's service. That incident led me down a road of discovery, especially concerning "soul liberty"; and it also led me to discover some things about that particular pastor, such as he had a history of joining churches just so he could eventually be voted in as pastor, or building up "friends" in the church so that he could pull them away from that church and start his own where he would be in charge.

My brother or sister in Christ, let's discuss the scriptures themselves, and see if they actually support our notions, rather than let our notions drive our understanding of scripture. For example, the analysis I gave you of Timothy; in the context of that chapter, that verse isn't telling women to "dress modestly", but how all of us should behave.

Hey, I consider myself teachable; so let's search out the scriptures and see what we come up with. What say you?

 

[Mexdeaf]

I decided to come back through the door. It seems you do agree with me. You use the word offend. What garmet that might offend you ( and it's obvious some kind of garment does or you wouldn't have posted this) may not offend me and vs / versa.

Thanks for asking. Maybe we will get somewhere with this discussion after all.

If I go to a church as a guest or to to preach and I know their "standards" for dress are coat and tie, no POW, and such-and-such, I will willingly and happily follow those "standards". (The same goes with Bible Versions, BTW.)

By the same token, if I were to visit a church where I know they have more casual "standards", I would not offend them by going in my best suit and preaching down to them about their "lax" (in my eyes) "standards". (This actually happened at a church that I was once a member of.)

That is what I meant by not offending.

The Scriptures support such a stance:

Romans 14

13 Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. 14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. 15 For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. By what you eat, do not destroy the one for whom Christ died. 16 So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. 19 So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding.
20 Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats. 21 It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble. 22 The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.

 

[Mexdeaf]

AMEN, The problem of the church world today they want to look hip to draw people to their church, or it's total rebellion again any authority.

That has ALWAYS been a problem almost from day one. There's nothing new under the sun.