Proud Boys Charged with Sedition in Capitol Attack

[Cathode]

One Proud Boy has pled guilty and is cooperating with the government. Comprende?

Over the last few years I have come to comprehend just how sick the US Justice system is, and not just how it has been politically weaponised.

It’s the coercive behaviour of Law enforcement and attorneys general that threaten a harder process or family members for individuals who do not plead guilty to some lesser charge. Even if both sides know a certain charge is not just and true. Entrapment, coercion and blackmail seem to be the only skill set these agencies are good at. The process being made the punishment for non compliance.

All of your law enforcement agencies seem to be self serving entities at best.

The full knowledge now of the Central Intelligence Agency’s running drugs into America killing countless citizens to fund off book operations outside of congressional oversight, indicates a corrupt rogue and evil agency.

The FBIs list of crimes seems to be never ending, vindictive and partisan investigations and prosecutions seem to be the norm.

When ANTIFA burn and take over cities declaring local secession, murder people , riot and loot but leftist attorney generals jurisdictions let them walk free after two days processing, you know the system is corrupt to the core.
You also see opposite treatment of those on the right side of politics who were usually just defending themselves from Antifa in those jurisdictions.

Your nation is irreconcilably divided, and you will not like the end result that is coming to a head.
Just keep pressing and the wine you will have to drink down to the very last drop.

 

[Cathode]

No evidence had been produced by anyone even hinting that this was not a fair election. Trump lost ALL his bogus attempts to reverse the results in the federal courts. If you want to form a new nation under Trump go ahead. Good luck.

It will all ring hollow when you wake up to a nation on fire and economically annihilated.
There will be no new nation under anyone, both sides are pressing the wine all will have to drink.
The yawning mouth of hell is about to close on your nation, Trump is the least of your problems.

 

[AustinC]

It will all ring hollow when you wake up to a nation on fire and economically annihilated.
There will be no new nation under anyone, both sides are pressing the wine all will have to drink.
The yawning mouth of hell is about to close on your nation, Trump is the least of your problems.

It is possible that God will destroy the unity of the States and food production for the world will come to a screeching halt so that every nation incapable of growing and distributing its own food will be filled with starving and dying humans. The prophecy that a piece of bread could buy a bag of gold would come true.
What is more certain is Jesus promise to his brothers and sisters that he will never leave us nor forsake us. His truth that if he watches over the sparrow, he will watch over us.
Cathode, human corruption is found everywhere, including in our own hearts. It seems you are thinking yourself above your own corruption and think that the fall of one corrupt nation won't affect you.

 

[atpollard]

I think they (the courts) need to take a step back and ask what they are trying to accomplish.

Did they (the people involved in the Jan 6 riots) interfere with the execution of a federal law? Yes, of course they did.

But I don't think their intent was more than protest.

They took it too far, many probably influenced by mob mentality.

Sometimes the rule of law needs to be tempered with common sense and the decency to move on.

Gerald Ford’s first act was a pardon to end the Watergate crisis so the nation could move on and begin to heal. Sigh … how far we have fallen as a nation.

 

[Cathode]

It is possible that God will destroy the unity of the States and food production for the world will come to a screeching halt so that every nation incapable of growing and distributing its own food will be filled with starving and dying humans. The prophecy that a piece of bread could buy a bag of gold would come true.

Yes, food and water will be the only currency in the United States.

What is more certain is Jesus promise to his brothers and sisters that he will never leave us nor forsake us. His truth that if he watches over the sparrow, he will watch over us.

But a nation that forgets God puts themselves far from His sight. It’s not God that forsakes them.

Cathode, human corruption is found everywhere, including in our own hearts. It seems you are thinking yourself above your own corruption and think that the fall of one corrupt nation won't affect you.

The US is the gold standard in the human liberty experiment, other countries never got the chance to be that advanced a culture of personal liberty. That’s why the world is looking on in awe at how it is being destroyed.

There a guys on this site that think self defence is not a natural human right, that’s how bad things have gotten.

 

[canadyjd]

Yes, food and water will be the only currency in the United States….

There a guys on this site that think self defence is not a natural human right, that’s how bad things have gotten.

There are Christians on this site that believe we should follow God’s Word concerning rebellion rather than secular reasoning.

There are other Christians on this site that openly advocate violence if the 2nd A is legally repealed with total disregard for the clear teaching of scripture.

That truly demonstrates how bad things are among Christians n this country.

peace to you

 

[Cathode]

There are Christians on this site that believe we should follow God’s Word concerning rebellion rather than secular reasoning.

There are other Christians on this site that openly advocate violence if the 2nd A is legally repealed with total disregard for the clear teaching of scripture.

That truly demonstrates how bad things are among Christians n this country.

peace to you

So if you were in Germany in WW2, you would have followed Hilter’s policies because it was legal?
Would that be the Christian thing to do?

It was the law to turn in Jews otherwise it was rebellion against the government.

You do not sacrifice your inalienable God given natural human rights to Caesar, it does not belong to Caesar.

Men must face their God given responsibilities out of love, not outsource their responsibilities to Caesar and be a perpetual child. Let the testicles fall and they take on the responsibility, stand as a man before men and God.

 

[atpollard]

There are Christians on this site that believe we should follow God’s Word concerning rebellion rather than secular reasoning.

Since I want to get this right, could you point me to “God’s word on rebellion”?

 

[AustinC]

So if you were in Germany in WW2, you would have followed Hilter’s policies because it was legal?
Would that be the Christian thing to do?

It was the law to turn in Jews otherwise it was rebellion against the government.

You do not sacrifice your inalienable God given natural human rights to Caesar, it does not belong to Caesar.

Men must face their God given responsibilities out of love, not outsource their responsibilities to Caesar and be a perpetual child. Let the testicles fall and they take on the responsibility, stand as a man before men and God.

You are conflating two different things.
First, God's moral law supercedes human government laws. Giving up an innocent person to be killed is wrong, by God's moral law, therefore you disobey human government in that situation because God's law supercedes.

Guns are not a God given right. Government protection against immoral people is an ordained method by God to keep order.

Christians are commanded to obey government and live in peace with whomever is ruling over them. Note that Paul and Peter write their words even while Nero eventually killed them.

 

[AustinC]

Yes, food and water will be the only currency in the United States.

Perhaps. Since the US provides a large portion of the world's food, the starvation in the world will be great in all countries who depend on others to supply food.

But a nation that forgets God puts themselves far from His sight. It’s not God that forsakes them.

Most nations have little to no knowledge of God. Pick any country in the world and show me their Godly leadership.

The US is the gold standard in the human liberty experiment, other countries never got the chance to be that advanced a culture of personal liberty. That’s why the world is looking on in awe at how it is being destroyed.

The whole world is fallen in humanism. Watching the US follow the humanism of Europe and move toward Communism is quite interesting. Christians in the US have followed their European brothers in following the whore of Babylon.

There a guys on this site that think self defence is not a natural human right, that’s how bad things have gotten.

No one has said you cannot defend yourself. I have asked if you will obey government when they command you to give up your guns. Do you place your trust in your gun or in your God? Or...is your gun your idol and god? Consider what idols we have accumulated in this world that we would have a hard time giving up should someone demand it from us.

 

[canadyjd]

Since I want to get this right, could you point me to “God’s word on rebellion”?

Romans 13 among others.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

So if you were in Germany in WW2, you would have followed Hilter’s policies because it was legal?
Would that be the Christian thing to do?

It was the law to turn in Jews otherwise it was rebellion against the government.

You do not sacrifice your inalienable God given natural human rights to Caesar, it does not belong to Caesar.

Men must face their God given responsibilities out of love, not outsource their responsibilities to Caesar and be a perpetual child. Let the testicles fall and they take on the responsibility, stand as a man before men and God.

It is a false equivalence to compare accepting the legal repeal of the 2nd A to supporting Hitler’s Germany.

Your language is disgusting and secular. I haven’t had a need to prove my manhood since I was a teenager. Why do you?

You must consider our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to have “let His ——— fall” when He meekly and passively went to the cross, don’t you? Did the Apostles “let their —— fall” when they meekly and passively suffered as martyrs for the cause of Christ?

Be a man and say what you really believe. You are embarrassed that Jesus didn’t fight back, aren’t you? You are embarrassed that Jesus doesn’t live up to your idea of manliness, aren’t you?

You language is shameful of someone claiming Christ as Savior and Lord.

peace to you

 

[BasketFinch]

Over the last few years I have come to comprehend just how sick the US Justice system is, and not just how it has been politically weaponised.

It’s the coercive behaviour of Law enforcement and attorneys general that threaten a harder process or family members for individuals who do not plead guilty to some lesser charge. Even if both sides know a certain charge is not just and true. Entrapment, coercion and blackmail seem to be the only skill set these agencies are good at. The process being made the punishment for non compliance.

All of your law enforcement agencies seem to be self serving entities at best.

The full knowledge now of the Central Intelligence Agency’s running drugs into America killing countless citizens to fund off book operations outside of congressional oversight, indicates a corrupt rogue and evil agency.

The FBIs list of crimes seems to be never ending, vindictive and partisan investigations and prosecutions seem to be the norm.

When ANTIFA burn and take over cities declaring local secession, murder people , riot and loot but leftist attorney generals jurisdictions let them walk free after two days processing, you know the system is corrupt to the core.
You also see opposite treatment of those on the right side of politics who were usually just defending themselves from Antifa in those jurisdictions.

Your nation is irreconcilably divided, and you will not like the end result that is coming to a head.
Just keep pressing and the wine you will have to drink down to the very last drop.

I know someone who worked in the FB for years. When they found out Comey (Commy?) was to be Director, their boss, they resigned. As did others. Because he was deemed unfit to serve the office .

We're being manipulated into a soft Communism state.

The authoritarian dictatorship that appeared and operated for weeks at the inception of the lockdown, a term reserved for prison action, we should have paid attention .

Instead we obeyed.

That told the "master race", those intent on being the masters of this world, they'd hardly meet any resistance in future.

Though there is a pastor in California, Macarthur, who did rebel when they tried to violate 1st amendment rights in his congregations gatherings.
I don't hold to his teachings however, he has my respect for his resolve to stand against the enemy. And won.
Amen. Well done brother! Well done.

 

[Cathode]

You are conflating two different things.
First, God's moral law supercedes human government laws. Giving up an innocent person to be killed is wrong, by God's moral law, therefore you disobey human government in that situation because God's law supercedes.

Guns are not a God given right. Government protection against immoral people is an ordained method by God to keep order.

Christians are commanded to obey government and live in peace with whomever is ruling over them. Note that Paul and Peter write their words even while Nero eventually killed them.

Once government is destructive of people’s inalienable rights it ceases to be government, it loses all legitimacy.
In a world of guns self defence means gun ownership. The right bear arms mean arms adequate for your defence at the time.
Self defence is a God given Right.

You may forego the Right of self defence and responsibility to protect and die defenceless on the day, but imposing defencelessness on others is not noble, just or good.

I remember the guy who was a campaigner against the second amendment, tried to stop a mugger from taking his phone on the subway. He was stabbed upwards of 50 times if I remember rightly and died.
Once you forego the Right to defend your life, your property in forfeit as well, he had no business trying to resist for his property, in choosing to be defenceless he lost both his property and life entire.
He would have been a completely useless bystander if he saw others being harmed on the subway as well.
Love of others takes on responsibility, outsourcing responsibility to Caesar takes no love or responsibility at all.

It’s why the left gives the least to charity and volunteers the least, they outsource responsibility to government, take no responsibility themselves. It requires no love or bother from them.

 

[BasketFinch]

Once government is destructive of people’s inalienable rights it ceases to be government, it loses all legitimacy.
In a world of guns self defence means gun ownership. The right bear arms mean arms adequate for your defence at the time.
Self defence is a God given Right.

You may forego the Right of self defence and responsibility to protect and die defenceless on the day, but imposing defencelessness on others is not noble, just or good.

I remember the guy who was a campaigner against the second amendment, tried to stop a mugger from taking his phone on the subway. He was stabbed upwards of 50 times if I remember rightly and died.
Once you forego the Right to defend your life, your property in forfeit as well, he had no business trying to resist for his property, in choosing to be defenceless he lost both his property and life entire.
He would have been a completely useless bystander if he saw others being harmed on the subway as well.
Love of others takes on responsibility, outsourcing responsibility to Caesar takes no love or responsibility at all.

It’s why the left gives the least to charity and volunteers the least, they outsource responsibility to government, take no responsibility themselves. It requires no love or bother from them.

Outlawing citizen right to own guns insures government can run amok and meet no resistance.

History shows a repeat of such a thing is unthinkable. If we don't learn from history we're condemned to repeat it.

Some never learn. Others swear, never again!

 

[atpollard]

Romans 13 among others.

peace to you

Romans 13:
1 Every [fn]person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authorityexcept [fn]from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore [fn]whoeverresists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receivecondemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for [fn]good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. 7 Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.

Why did Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego not obey God and Nebuchadnezzar?

 

[canadyjd]

Romans 13:
1 Every [fn]person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities……

Why did Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego not obey God and Nebuchadnezzar?

Because they were commanded to worship a statue which violated God’s Law,

They did not lead an armed rebellion. They passively accepted the punishment to be tossed into a flaming furnace saying God is able to protect us, but even if He doesn’t, we are not worshipping that idol.

Sme here are advocating armed rebellion if the 2nd A is repealed legally and constitutionally.

Very different situation

BTW, now that you see Romans 13, do you agree it prohibits Christians from engaging in armed rebellion?

peace to you

 

[Cathode]

It is a false equivalence to compare accepting the legal repeal of the 2nd A to supporting Hitler’s Germany.

Your language is disgusting and secular. I haven’t had a need to prove my manhood since I was a teenager. Why do you?

You must consider our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to have “let His ——— fall” when He meekly and passively went to the cross, don’t you? Did the Apostles “let their —— fall” when they meekly and passively suffered as martyrs for the cause of Christ?

Be a man and say what you really believe. You are embarrassed that Jesus didn’t fight back, aren’t you? You are embarrassed that Jesus doesn’t live up to your idea of manliness, aren’t you?

You language is shameful of someone claiming Christ as Savior and Lord.

peace to you

Hitler repealed gun ownership in Germany, he made sure the population was good and defenceless, nice and legally.

I can accept dying meekly and passively, if it’s just me, but I don’t desire others to be helpless and defencelessly slaughtered.
It’s one thing to desire it for yourself, but willing defenceless suffering and death on others is evil. That’s what it is to take people’s means of self defence.

Take the lions teeth and claws then set it free in the wild, call that abomination God’s good work.

I have seen too much slaughter, and slaughter follows hard upon weak men who lack the love to take on responsibility.

Fathers and husbands need to be the protectors and providers God intends them to be, not outsource their responsibilities to government.

 

[Cathode]

Because they were commanded to worship a statue which violated God’s Law,

They did not lead an armed rebellion. They passively accepted the punishment to be tossed into a flaming furnace saying God is able to protect us, but even if He doesn’t, we are not worshipping that idol.

Sme here are advocating armed rebellion if the 2nd A is repealed legally and constitutionally.

Very different situation

BTW, now that you see Romans 13, do you agree it prohibits Christians from engaging in armed rebellion?

peace to you

The 2A is not about armed rebellion, it’s about self defence, it’s a defensive Right not an offensive Right.

 

[canadyjd]

The 2A is not about armed rebellion, it’s about self defence, it’s a defensive Right not an offensive Right.

Promising armed violence should the 2nd A be legally repealed and the governments pass laws to confiscate guns is armed rebellion and goes against God’s Word.

peace to you