Proverbs 23:31

[DeeJay]

Bro Bob how do you gather oil from the fields, very easy and I will explain below.

I could place a bucket up to the olive tree and squeeze the

oil out if I wanted to and who is to say that is not how they

did it. what you call refining is what they do today back then they pressed it out. I also could place a bucket up to the grapes

and

squeeze the juice out. what you call refining is what they do today back then they pressed it out.

A direct quote from you as requested

 

[Brother Bob]

And you will not acknolage that (like I have said) I am taking issue with the way you interpret Gods word. I have no issue with Gods word itself.

But the acusation is the only thing you have in an argument. It is hurtfull from somebody who is suposeto be a brother. I consider you a brother even though I doubt that you consider me one. Well nothing I can do about that but it is sad.

I come here to this board because I have very few Christian friends. Day to day I run into few to none Christians. So I come here so Brother bob and digen can accuse and judge. SO you can feel better then somebody. I have not accused you of being an unbeliever I just think you are wrong on a minor issue. You have several times accused me of being an unbeliever and of mocking Gods word. YOU are wrong.

Your self-rigoutousness is your alcohol and you are drunk out of your mind on it.

I will pray for you and please forgive me if I hurt you.

 

[DeeJay]

God said they gathered the oil from the fields do you deny that?

No I do not

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
Bro Bob how do you gather oil from the fields, very easy and I will explain below.

I could place a bucket up to the olive tree and squeeze the

oil out if I wanted to and who is to say that is not how they

did it. what you call refining is what they do today back then they pressed it out. I also could place a bucket up to the grapes

and

squeeze the juice out. what you call refining is what they do today back then they pressed it out.

I apologize Tim; I guess I did say it. Forgive me for saying you mistated me. I still say God said they would gather the oil from the fields and not gather olives and process them into oil. Why God said it that way I don't know but He had a reason and who am I to change His word.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Diggen

So you are now saying it did take a press to extract oil.

WHat happened to cheese cloth an poles.

I believe I have been saying it needed a press all along.

DeeJay, as the link I posted shows, the olive press was often right at the orchard and the olives were pressed right there for the oil. So to say they gathered the oil from the fields as the Scriptures say is accurate.

 

[DeeJay]

DeeJay, as the link I posted shows, the olive press was often right at the orchard and the olives were pressed right there for the oil. So to say they gathered the oil from the fields as the Scriptures say is accurate.

I have not doubt that the press was at the orchard. I do doubt they drug it around from tree to tree. I think the press was in one place on the orchard and the olives were gathered and brought to the press.

I also say they gathered oil from the field is accurate
as oil is the product they were going for. They were not growing olives for olives but for oil. Same with grapes.

 

[DeeJay]

I apologize Tim; I guess I did say it. Forgive me for saying you mistated me. I still say God said they would gather the oil from the fields and not gather olives and process them into oil. Why God said it that way I don't know but He had a reason and who am I to change His word.

You want to be so litteral with the oil. Like it was oil right from the picking. But you do not want to be litteral with wine. As in the grapes turned to wine right from the picking. When it says oil it has to be oil right now, thats Gods word. BUT when it says wine, well you see it really means grapes and it just calls them wine because.............?????

I dont think I am misreprisenting Gods Word (that I believe in very much) To think that He called olives oil and grapes wine because that is the product they were growing. That was the end product they were selling or useing. It was a orchard or vineyard for wine and oil not a grape farm and olive orchard.

I am going to go home now. I have worked a double and am :sleeping_2:

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Isaiah 65:8 Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.

Since it is speaking of new wine in the cluster, it cannot be talking of a wine that has fermented, for fermentation is through age.

Wine can mean the fresh (new) juice of the grape

 

[DeeJay]

Isaiah 65:8 Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.

Since it is speaking of new wine in the cluster, it cannot be talking of a wine that has fermented, for fermentation is through age.

Wine can mean the fresh (new) juice of the grape

I have not denied that. I do not argue that. I will even consead grapes can be wine.

But the wine at the last supper was alcohol

 

[Jack Matthews]

***Moderator warning***

Continued insults will not be tolerated. Thread will be closed upon the next warning.

Bro. David

This thread, which is going nowhere, should have been closed a long, long time ago, just like all the other diatribes of human wisdom about alcohol that seem to go on endlessly without any resolution.

I'm tired. It's late. I think I'll go polish off that bottle of wine I started over dinner and see if that doesn't help me get to sleep. :smilewinkgrin:

(O.K. I'll duck now...........)

 

[Diggin in da Word]

If you go down the next post, the person who opened the thread requested it be closed, yet moderators kept it open

 

[blackbird]

This thread has exceeded the allowable 30 page limit for debate.

Bro. David