PSA as defined in "Pierced for My Trangressions"

[Martin Marprelate]

I agree. Jesus died in behalf of the nation, for the nation, so that the nation would not perish.

I agree. He died (in the understanding of Caiaphas) in the place of the nation.

We can be united in the truth that Jesus died for Israel (and the part you snipped as well, that He died to gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad) so that they would not perish. And Jesus died so that we would have life (so that we would not perish).

I agree again. Jesus suffered and died so that they would not perish. Penal substitution.

This does not, obviously, mean that God was punishing Jesus instead of punishing Israel. That is where PSA becomes a false doctrine emptying the cross of meaning. Christ died instead of Israel perishing to gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad. There is no need to add your theory to Scripture as we can agree on what is written.

It means, of course, exactly that. The Israel in question is not the Israel of Caiaphas, but the Israel above, the Israel of God.
Your problem is that you are so wedded to your system that you cannot see the truth. Not particularly John 11:49ff, which I only mentioned as a sort of drive-by shooting to show that huper can, and often does, have the meaning of 'in the place of' or 'instead of,' but generally.

When, in post #28, @George Antonios offered you Scripture, you simply ignored it. When he chided you for ignoring it (post #31)you wrote:

I understand the case laid out, but yes, I did simply ignore it in my response.

The reason is that I believe the Atonement is a foundational doctrine. I personally stick very close to Scripture when it comes to foundational doctrines.[/QUOTE}
So you ignore Scripture because you stick very closely to Scripture. Priceless! The reason is that you are utterly hardened against PSA and any Scripture (of which there are vast amounts) that supports it must simply be glossed over or ignored completely, because you have decided that they don't exist.

 

[JonC]

I agree. He died (in the understanding of Caiaphas) in the place of the nation.

I agree again. Jesus suffered and died so that they would not perish. Penal substitution.

It means, of course, exactly that. The Israel in question is not the Israel of Caiaphas, but the Israel above, the Israel of God.
Your problem is that you are so wedded to your system that you cannot see the truth. Not particularly John 11:49ff, which I only mentioned as a sort of drive-by shooting to show that huper can, and often does, have the meaning of 'in the place of' or 'instead of,' but generally.

When, in post #28, @George Antonios offered you Scripture, you simply ignored it. When he chided you for ignoring it (post #31)you wrote:

I am not sure you understand PSA. What makes it a false doctrine is not in its affirmation that Christ died so that we would live. What makes the Theory a false doctrine is it holds God punished Jesus instead of punishing us. As you well know this is not in the text if Scripture itself.

 

[Yeshua1]

Where did God keep it? A wrath cabinet? You are misrepresenting Scripture, Brother.

Romans 2:5

 

[Yeshua1]

I am not sure you understand PSA. What makes it a false doctrine is not in its affirmation that Christ died so that we would live. What makes the Theory a false doctrine is it holds God punished Jesus instead of punishing us. As you well know this is not in the text if Scripture itself.

Does God judge sin and sinners, and has wrath towards them?