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Psalm 29:7

Salty

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Psalm 29:7 states:

The voice of the LORD maketh the hinds to calve, and discovereth the forests: and in his temple doth every one speak of his glory. (KJV)

The voice of the LORD makes the deer give birth,
And strips the forests bare;
And in His temple everyone says, “Glory!” (NKJV)

Exactly what is vs 9 trying to tell us?

Do deer only give birth when God says so?
(yes, I am being facetious)
 

canadyjd

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Psalm 29:7 states:

The voice of the LORD maketh the hinds to calve, and discovereth the forests: and in his temple doth every one speak of his glory. (KJV)

The voice of the LORD makes the deer give birth,
And strips the forests bare;
And in His temple everyone says, “Glory!” (NKJV)

Exactly what is vs 9 trying to tell us?

Do deer only give birth when God says so?
(yes, I am being facetious)
It’s speaking of God’s sovereignty over His creation. I wouldn’t call it being facetious. Either God created all things and put the universe on automatic pilot, so to speak, or God controls/sustains all things by the Word of His power.

It is similar to Job 39: 1-15, and Job 40: 8-9.

Peace to you
 

Silverhair

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It’s speaking of God’s sovereignty over His creation. I wouldn’t call it being facetious. Either God created all things and put the universe on automatic pilot, so to speak, or God controls/sustains all things by the Word of His power.

It is similar to Job 39: 1-15, and Job 40: 8-9.

Peace to you

God is indeed sovereign over His creation but I do not see Gods' sovereignty as an either or situation. God has a plan as seen in Gen 3:15 and it will be completed as seen in Rev 22:20. God has also allowed for man to have a free will so that those that choose to trust in His son will be saved those that reject His son will be condemned.
The bible is clear that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation Rom 1:16 and this is shown in Act 16:30-31. The jailer asked "what must I do" and was told "Believe in the Lord Jesus". Only God saves but He only saves those that believe in His son.

If one holds to the idea that God has to control all things then that would mean "all things" which would have to include all the evil in this world which I am sure members of BB would not agree with. So while God is sovereign and thus in control He does not have to be controlling.
 

37818

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". . . The voice of the LORD causes the does to calve, and uncovers the forests; . . ." This has to do with God's sovereignty.
". . . and in His temple all of it [is] saying, Glory! . . ." All the furniture God prescribed for His temple speaks of God's glory, which represents His Son.
 

canadyjd

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God is indeed sovereign over His creation but I do not see Gods' sovereignty as an either or situation. God has a plan as seen in Gen 3:15 and it will be completed as seen in Rev 22:20. God has also allowed for man to have a free will so that those that choose to trust in His son will be saved those that reject His son will be condemned.
The bible is clear that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation Rom 1:16 and this is shown in Act 16:30-31. The jailer asked "what must I do" and was told "Believe in the Lord Jesus". Only God saves but He only saves those that believe in His son.

If one holds to the idea that God has to control all things then that would mean "all things" which would have to include all the evil in this world which I am sure members of BB would not agree with. So while God is sovereign and thus in control He does not have to be controlling.
I’m certain I have asked you not to reply to my posts.

You have stated in past post that “many are saved having never heard the gospel”. Again, that is what you said. I’m not putting words in your mouth.

Given this clear heresy that you have repeatedly stated, you have no foundation on which to stand to offer any comment on theology or scripture.

Please do not respond to my posts.

peace to you
 

Marooncat79

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God is indeed sovereign over His creation but I do not see Gods' sovereignty as an either or situation. God has a plan as seen in Gen 3:15 and it will be completed as seen in Rev 22:20. God has also allowed for man to have a free will so that those that choose to trust in His son will be saved those that reject His son will be condemned.
The bible is clear that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation Rom 1:16 and this is shown in Act 16:30-31. The jailer asked "what must I do" and was told "Believe in the Lord Jesus". Only God saves but He only saves those that believe in His son.

If one holds to the idea that God has to control all things then that would mean "all things" which would have to include all the evil in this world which I am sure members of BB would not agree with. So while God is sovereign and thus in control He does not have to be controlling.


Is the prophecy concerning Cyrus in Isaiah true?

how did Isaiah prophecy by name the one who would return the Jews to Israel if He does not rule supremely?

The prophecy was what? 150 yrs or so into the future
 

AVL1984

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Dr. Robert Morris from Gateway Church preached a sermon on this subject and God's foreknowledge. It was very insightful. He gave the history of Cyrus and several others in this sermon.
 

Van

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The phrase "the voice of the LORD (Yahweh)" appears many times in the OT. Usually the idea is believers are to obey the commands of God and reap rewards, or if they do not heed the command, they suffer loss.

However these usual usages, are not the only way the phrase is used. The voice of the LORD can also be used to refer to Yahweh's determinate commands, such as to compel the behavior of His creation in accordance with His design. A lightning strike can split a Cedar tree, or an animal suffer travail in giving birth. All who see the hand of God in the operation of creation will readily say Glory to God.
 

Silverhair

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I’m certain I have asked you not to reply to my posts.

You have stated in past post that “many are saved having never heard the gospel”. Again, that is what you said. I’m not putting words in your mouth.

Given this clear heresy that you have repeatedly stated, you have no foundation on which to stand to offer any comment on theology or scripture.

Please do not respond to my posts.

peace to you

Yes I do remember that but when one makes comments such as you did then they require a response. You are mistaken if you think that the only way God can bring one to salvation is through the gospel message. Are not the calvinists the ones that keep saying that He is totally sovereign that He determines all things. Why do you insist on restricting how He brings one to salvation? Do you not think He is capable of doing as He pleases with His creation.

Also you should be careful when you claim someone has put forward heresy. You may not agree with what I have said but then again I do not agree with your view but I do not call it heresy although some would call it that.
 

JD731

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1 « A Psalm of David. » Give unto the LORD, O ye mighty, give unto the LORD glory and strength.
2 Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name; worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness.
3 The voice of the LORD is upon the waters: the God of glory thundereth: the LORD is upon many waters.
4 The voice of the LORD is powerful; the voice of the LORD is full of majesty.
5 The voice of the LORD breaketh the cedars; yea, the LORD breaketh the cedars of Lebanon.
6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.
7 The voice of the LORD divideth the flames of fire.
8 The voice of the LORD shaketh the wilderness; the LORD shaketh the wilderness of Kadesh.
9 The voice of the LORD maketh the hinds to calve, and discovereth the forests: and in his temple doth every one speak of [his] glory.
10 The LORD sitteth upon the flood; yea, the LORD sitteth King for ever.
11 The LORD will give strength unto his people; the LORD will bless his people with peace.

Thunder is the symbol of the voice of the Lord in the storm. It is revealed that way in the scriptures. The waters are the peoples or the nations. His people is Israel. A flood is when the waters overflow their banks (boundaries).

Two things are present in this Psalm to indicate how to deal with it. The word "glory" and the word "King," especially when it has a capitol K. The Psalms are always prophetic. They speak of time leading up to and the time Jesus rules the earth from Jerusalem in the millennial kingdom or sometimes the context will take us into eternity itself. The words glory and King projects us to a still yet future fulfillment when Jesus sets on the thone of his glory as King of all the earth from Jerusalem.

None of the projections mentioned in Psa 29 has happened yet. It is still future.

A dispensationalist can know this. There is no prophecy for this age we are living in now, except very veiled actions of God and man.

Here is one concerning this age and the rapture of the church of Jesus Christ but it is not in any detail. It agrees wholly with the new testament promise to the believers in Christ who are in his body. Take a peek;

Psalm 47

1 ¶ « To the chief Musician, A Psalm for the sons of Korah. » O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph.
2 For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth.
3 He shall subdue the people under us, and the nations under our feet.
4 He shall choose our inheritance for us, the excellency of Jacob whom he loved. Selah.

5 ¶ God is gone up with a shout, the LORD with the sound of a trumpet.(Read 1 Thess 4:13-18 here)
6 Sing praises to God, sing praises: sing praises unto our King, sing praises.
7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.
8 God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness.
9 The princes of the people (the people = always Israel) are gathered together, even the people of the God of Abraham: for the shields of the earth belong unto God: he is greatly exalted.

None of this has ever happened even at this day. This whole prophetic Psalm is ahead of us, but I suppose it is very close.

Two names for God in this Psalm. Jehovah and Elohim. The LORD Jehovah is referencing our Lord Jesus Christ and Elohim is referencing the trinitarian God.

I urge all to to study the scriptures dispensationally. It will turn on the light if the Spirit is in your hearts. There is much to know.
 
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JD731

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The "voice of the LORD" (Jehovah) is in the scriptures a total of 50 times in 48 verses. It appears in the psalms 9 times, but 8 of those times the phrase is in Psa 29. The first mention of this phrase will make us understand that it genders fear and dread when transgressors hear it after they have sinned. Here is the first mention.

Ge 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

The voice of the LORD will teach us that God is not presenting the idea of his sovereignty, but justice with this phrase. It presents God as a reactionary and our response to him governs those actions as it relates to his person as God.Here is something to ponder.

Here is the will of God stated.
De 27:10 Thou shalt therefore obey the voice of the LORD thy God, and do his commandments and his statutes, which I command thee this day.

De 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
De 28:2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.


De 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
De 28:45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
De 28:62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God.

This chapter 30 is in the same time frame as Psalm 29 when the LORD gives the Spirit to those of Israel who receive him. This is the reason they are few in number after the return of Christ when he calls all the earth to judgment by the voice of the LORD but he is ruling over those who have him in their hearts and all the rest will hide from his voice and be destroyed. No wonder the cows will give birth prematurely. This will be a fearful time.

De 30:8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his
commandments which I command thee this day.

De 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.

God does not make anyone get saved but he does what he can to save people. Look.

15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
 

canadyjd

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Yes I do remember that but when one makes comments such as you did then they require a response. You are mistaken if you think that the only way God can bring one to salvation is through the gospel message. Are not the calvinists the ones that keep saying that He is totally sovereign that He determines all things. Why do you insist on restricting how He brings one to salvation? Do you not think He is capable of doing as He pleases with His creation.

Also you should be careful when you claim someone has put forward heresy. You may not agree with what I have said but then again I do not agree with your view but I do not call it heresy although some would call it that.
I’ve stared another thread so this one stays on OP.
Is the gospel necessary for salvation?

peace to you
 
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Alan Gross

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Ge 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

"And they heard the voice of the LORD God
walking in the garden in the cool of the day:"


Dear friends, this is, "Jesus" talking to them,
WITH
"HIS VOICE", "the voice of the LORD God" and WALKING...


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