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Pulling US troops out of Syria is leading to peace

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Shoostie

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Reynolds said:
If Assad takes back over Syria, it does not sound that crazy. If Obama had stayed out of meddling with Syria, Assad would still be running a stable nation. Obama messed that up.
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The Kurds are making peace with Assad, and Turkey looks like it wants to make peace with Assad, as well. This will result in some degree of peace between the Kurds and Turkey, but the Kurds will always be tempted to plant bombs, it's their nature, and Turkey will want to reply, but they'll have to do it through a buffer zone.

The US aiding the Kurds (not as allies, because allies have a two-way relationship) only facilitated violence by discouraging the Kurds from being peaceful. The US presence was also preventing Syria and Turkey from negotiating a peace.

In the end, Assad will consolidate his power. And, everyone killed, maimed, or driven out of Syria will have been for nothing, if the US actually had a reason (to remove Assad) to be there in the first place. Sort of like the Iraq war didn't destroy WMDS, but the dogs of war have no regrets because "disarming" Saddam was never their real motivation (nor was compassion for Iraqis).

Obama was a very pro-war president. Hillary Clinton was also very pro-war. Trump is anti-war. This is why many neocon Republicans were #NeverTrump. They wanted Hillary to win, even if would let Hillary replace two conservative judges on the Supreme Court with liberals (giving the anti-Constitution wing absolute power, traitors).
 
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Use of Time

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Shoostie said:
The Kurds are making peace with Assad, and Turkey looks like it wants to make peace with Assad, as well. This will result in some degree of peace between the Kurds and Turkey, but the Kurds will always be tempted to plant bombs, it's their nature, and Turkey will want to reply, but they'll have to do it through a buffer zone.

The US aiding the Kurds (not as allies, because allies have a two-way relationship) only facilitated violence by discouraging the Kurds from being peaceful. The US presence was also preventing Syria and Turkey from negotiating a peace.

In the end, Assad will consolidate his power. And, everyone killed, maimed, or driven out of Syria will have been for nothing, if the US actually had a reason (to remove Assad) to be there in the first place. Sort of like the Iraq war didn't destroy WMDS, but the dogs of war have no regrets because "disarming" Saddam was never their real motivation (nor was compassion for Iraqis).

Obama was a very pro-war president. Hillary Clinton was also very pro-war. Trump is anti-war. This is why many neocon Republicans were #NeverTrump. They wanted Hillary to win, even if would let Hillary replace two conservative judges on the Supreme Court with liberals (giving the anti-Constitution wing absolute power, traitors).
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Guess who wins in that scenario. Hint. He likes to ride horses without a shirt on.
 
BenWest

BenWest

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Reynolds said:
If Assad takes back over Syria, it does not sound that crazy. If Obama had stayed out of meddling with Syria, Assad would still be running a stable nation. Obama messed that up.
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Amen, but Assad has a terrible problem. He loves to gas his people and rule them in his dictatorship. Trump probably loves him for being worse than himself. It's literally a bloody shame.
 
Reynolds

Reynolds

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BenWest said:
Amen, but Assad has a terrible problem. He loves to gas his people and rule them in his dictatorship. Trump probably loves him for being worse than himself. It's literally a bloody shame.
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What he does to keep order on his nation is his business. Let the UN deal with him. It's not a U S. Problem.
 
BenWest

BenWest

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Shoostie said:
Trump is anti-war.
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Running away from responsibility is what caused the current war. Trump is so greedy, he would rather send 2,000 troops to Saudi Arabia because they will pay and the Kurds have only their lives to pay. Pulling out and leaving people who have lost 11k lives to the mercy of the evil Turkish President is the dumbest and most ignorant blunder in History. It's what happens when the American people elect a mob boss. Good luck on getting rid of the Donald. He would rather blow us all up than to be rejected.
 
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BenWest

BenWest

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Reynolds said:
What he does to keep order on his nation is his business. Let the UN deal with him. It's not a U S. Problem.
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It is when terrorists from Syria (ISIS) set up a terrorist section of his country and attack Iraq after we have attacked them earlier. How many Americans should be killed before it becomes a U.S. problem? Do you really think that the U.N. has an Army? Get real.
 
Reynolds

Reynolds

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BenWest said:
It is when terrorists from Syria (ISIS) set up a terrorist section of his country and attack Iraq after we have attacked them earlier. How many Americans should be killed before it becomes a U.S. problem? Do you really think that the U.N. has an Army? Get real.
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Let the other deadbeat UN nation's deal with it. Terrorists were not being protected in Syria.
 
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MRoss

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InTheLight said:
This is peace?


AKCAKALE, Turkey (AP) — Syrian government troops moved into towns and villages in northeastern Syria on Monday, including the flashpoint region of Manbij, setting up a potential clash with Turkish-led forces advancing in the area as long-standing alliances in the region began to shift or crumble following the pullback of U.S. forces.

The rapidly changing situation was set in motion last week, when U.S. President Donald Trump ordered American troops in northern Syria to step aside, clearing the way for an attack by Turkey, which regards the Kurdish fighters as terrorists. Since 2014, the Kurds have fought alongside the U.S. in defeating the Islamic State in Syria, and Trump’s move was decried at home and abroad as a betrayal of an ally.

Turkey widens invasion as Syrian army returns to northeast
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Yes. This is "more peace" just like the OP said.
Stop listening to the liberal news media elite.
 
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Shoostie

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BenWest said:
Running away from responsibility is what caused the current war. Trump is so greedy, he would rather send 2,000 troops to Saudi Arabia because they will pay and the Kurds have only their lives to pay. Pulling out and leaving people who have lost 11k lives to the mercy of the evil Turkish President is the dumbest and most ignorant blunder in History. It's what happens when the American people elect a mob boss. Good luck on getting rid of the Donald. He would rather blow us all up than to be rejected.
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If the Kurds weren't terrorists, Turkey -- our real ally -- would be leaving them alone. If you were president for life of the US, what would you long-term expectations be for Syria and the Kurds? Never ever leave? Because when you do leave, the Kurds and the Turks would be at it again, because Kurds, like ISIS, has no respect for legitimate governments and nations. The Kurds have to be broken.

What makes it any of our business?

What will you say in six months from now when there's more peace (fewer causality) in Syria than there was six months ago? That somehow you are right that US troops shouldn't have left?
 
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