ReformedBaptist
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Nevermind. I forgot your one of those people who cannot be kind to people. You can't answer the question. And so you lose. :jesus: wins.
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Nevermind. I forgot your one of those people who cannot be kind to people. You can't answer the question. And so you lose. :jesus: wins.
...I know, even though the Bible never refers to is as such.
You're Jesus?!? I'm sorry to hurt yer feelings there young man, but a stupid question is a stupid question. If I asked you if God is powerful, I would hope you would reply in similar fashion.
That's an oxymoron since the "us" (what you call the elect) have no chance of perishing, hence making the text make no sense at all.
It doesn't weaken it...if there is no ability, there is no responsibility. Words have meanings.
Yes, words do. And your belief that inability negates reponsiblity is Pelagianism.
The non-elect will never repent or believe. Yet they are fully accountable for their sins to God.
What sounds oxmoronic to you is in-fact very biblical. The lord is not willing that any of His elect will perish. Do you disagree? Do you think that His elect will perish?!
ReformedBaptist
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I am not a jerk. Your a being a jerk. My feeling are not hurt. I was just in a nice way saying your an #$%. Can you handle that sweetie pie? lol
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WD is more of a junkyard dog than a web dog.
ReformedBaptist
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I run into the type often. When I think of him I think of that country song..."Much cooler online.." :laugh:
yes
John 10:14,15 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
1 Cor 8:3 - If any man love God he is known of him.
this is not mere factual knowledge. Literally ginosko is to know completely but I believe there is an intimacy in this knowledge. God doesn't just know the facts about us he knows us in love. Foreknowledge isn't God knowing us factually or the facts about us... He foreknew us intimately as his sheep not factually according to what we might do. God's knowledge (and foreknowledge) goes much more deeply and personally.
Gossiper now as well?
I never called you a name, but did report your post. Would never think someone like you would post a perceived vulgarity. Sounds like you condemn the very things you do.
My belief that inability negates responsibility is biblical. If the non repent will never repent or believe, makes it kind of foolish to not want the elect to perish.
The elect will never perish. In fact, that's whom God is talking about when he says he doesn't want anyone to perish. That passage is in 2 Peter 3:9 is talking about what God is waiting for what seems to be a long time for the end when he will reveal himself to mankind. He's waiting for "the full number of the gentiles to come in" which has already been determined. His elect have to be born and accomplish what he ordained in advance for them to do as Ephesians 2:10 says. Then the end will come. So that passage does not mean that God is going to save everyone.
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Carico, your concept of God is very unusual. I have read your posts before, you believe God created evil. So when a pedophile molests a little child, you think this is God's will?
You believe God created two types of people, the elect and non-elect. Neither is different, they are both sinners, yet God elects some to eternal life, and chooses to damn the others. You give no reason except that God can do whatever he wants to do.
You believe that all men are enslaved to sin and do not have the ability to believe on Christ unless God regenerates them. But then God condemns those who do not believe, knowing from eternity that they cannot.
Let me ask you Carico, do you believe Jesus died for only the elect, or did Jesus die for all men including the non-elect?
No, it is against biblical teaching. It is Pelagianism. a number of you have imbibed his thoughts which you think is mainstream Evangelicalism.
Why is that fact foolish? The Lord doesn't want any of the elect to perish. He is not willing for them to perish. Do you disagree? Are you contending that the elect, or some of the elect will perish?!
ReformedBaptist
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Need some cheese?
I know it's unusual becuse most Christians don't read the bible. They listen to Sunday school teachers and pastors who never talk about God's power or wrath. So they have a "hippie guru" idea of God who says, "peace, man, make love, not war" which is not the God of the bible. God is almighty.
Here's God's word; Isaiah 54;16, "And it is I who have created the destroyer to work havoc..."
So if you claim to be a Christian, then I trust you believe that verse and
Lamentations 3:37-38, "Who can speak and not have it happen if the Lord has not decreed it? Is it not from the mouth of the Most high that both calamities and good things come?"
I trust you believe that verse as well. :smilewinkgrin:
ReformedBaptist
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Jesus died for the elect alone. Believers only.
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