Question for Calvinists

[Van]

Titus was Paul's son says so in verse 2
MB

Are you refusing to accept the obvious, those with faith as credited by God are "elect?"
Gal 2:3
But not even Titus, who was with me, though he was a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised.

 

[AustinC]

Sir, your view is outrageous nonsense, God loves all mankind.

On what basis does God love all mankind?

 

[AustinC]

Once again, you seek to deny God desires all people to be saved and Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all.

Here you use an idiom of hyperbole, when greater love is compared with lesser love, by referring to the lesser love as hate.

Folks, God loved the world, all mankind in this way, He gave His one of a kind Son so that everyone believing into Him would not perish but have eternal life. God demonstrated His love toward us when while we were yet sinners, He died for us.

So...belief or unbelief is the hinge to opening or closing the door to heaven.
Who opens or closes that door, Van?

 

[Van]

On what basis does God love all mankind?

While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

 

[Van]

So...belief or unbelief is the hinge to opening or closing the door to heaven.
Who opens or closes that door, Van?

Asked and answered dozens of times. God and God alone puts individuals into Christ.

 

[AustinC]

While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

A perfect example of limited atonement. Thank you for sharing scripture.
"We" and "us" are limiting words that do not support universal humanity.
Brilliant. Thanks for sharing.

 

[AustinC]

Asked and answered dozens of times. God and God alone puts individuals into Christ.

So, belief is not required? Just God choosing whom He wills?

 

[Yeshua1]

While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

For the Sheep, and not the goats!

 

[Yeshua1]

Asked and answered dozens of times. God and God alone puts individuals into Christ.

Based upon His will, and not our own!

 

[Yeshua1]

So, belief is not required? Just God choosing whom He wills?

Van holds to God saving based upon his foreknowledge of us willing to accept Jesus as Lord!

 

[AustinC]

Van holds to God saving based upon his foreknowledge of us willing to accept Jesus as Lord!

The Supremacy of Man in convincing God to save us by our faith.

 

[Yeshua1]

The Supremacy of Man in convincing God to save us by our faith.

God desires to save us, but he has agreed to limit Himself to accommodate out free will?

 

[atpollard]

Note the ignorance of the idiom, yet again showing Calvinists do not study usage.

Note the COMPLETE absence of even any attempt to demonstrate that it is an idiom, just empty rhetoric.

 

[Salty]

Six hour notice
This thread will be closed no sooner than 10 pm EDT / 7 pm PDT

 

[atpollard]

Here is what I actually said:

Over and over and over ...

Calvinism is a straight up denial of scripture after scripture.
Matthew 23:13 has the fallen seeking God
2 Thessalonians 2:13 has individuals chosen for salvation on the basis of faith.
1 Timothy 2:4-6 has God desiring all people be saved, and Christ laying down His life as a ransom for all.
1 Peter 2:9-10 says once we were not a people chosen by God, but now we are a chosen people.
1 Corinthians 3:1 has Paul presenting spiritual milk as to men of flesh.

The list is extensive. Calvinism's limited atonement false doctrine claims Christ did not die for all mankind. God does not desire all people to be saved. Christ did not lay down His life as a ransom for all. Is it possible for a Calvinist leaning poster to have derived from this bogus doctrine that God is a racist?

No honest discussion can ever come from an opening like this.
“No it isn’t.” is the best you can expect in response.

On and on Calvinism is defended by deflection...

On an on, requests for Christian civility are met with accusation and insult.

Here is what I actually said:
On and on Calvinism is defended by deflection.

 

[atpollard]

Yesiree Folks, you can be "entering the kingdom" and not be seeking God.

[Matthew 23:13 NASB] 13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

• This verse does not say that "those who are entering" were not seeking God.
• Calvinism does claim that this verse teaches that.
• YOU are the only one saying that someone "can be 'entering the kingdom' and not be seeking God." and attributing that to Calvinists.
• You are not being very honest in this discussion.

Yesiree Folks, sinners only hate the kingdom and never seek God.

[John 3:19-20 NASB] 19 "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

• You are rather flippantly rejecting the words of the Gospel of John.
• Are you as quick to reject John 3:16 as you are to reject John 3:19-20?
• It is not MY words that you are mocking, or any Calvinist doctrine, it is Scripture itself.

I leave you to your folly.

 

[Quantrill]

Sir, I addressed your outrageous views. And apparently you think not answering whether the "L" of the TULIP is bogus is not answering about Limited Atonement. Go figure folks...

Why don't you answer my questions. You make many allegations, but when asked to support or prove them you fold like a table napkin.

You have addressed nothing. As soon as you run into resistance you wilt. You resort to one liners that somehow satisfies you that you have answered the questions, but in reality, you have answered nothing.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Apparently you have no understanding of the idiom. Perhaps you should look into it?

Perhaps you should believe the Bible instead of twisting Scripture to support you PC views.

Quantrill

 

[Van]

A perfect example of limited atonement. Thank you for sharing scripture.
"We" and "us" are limiting words that do not support universal humanity.
Brilliant. Thanks for sharing.

To claim the we and us does not refer to sinners is to display confirmation bias.

 

[Van]

So, belief is not required? Just God choosing whom He wills?

Yet another absurdity, the question was who opens the door. And the answer is God and God alone.

All these Calvinist's posts are obfuscation, personal incredulity, and deflection from the obvious.