Question for covenantalist regarding the new covenant.

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DHK

Paul quoted part of that passage, not all of it

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So what? he quotes isa 17 x between chapter 9-15.....do you expect him to quote the whole book?

Please remember that the original had no chapter divisions. They were put in much later.

Again this is not really on topic...it supports what i said before when i offered romans 14:17

Just because Paul quoted a couple of verses that refer to the Messiah doesn't mean the entire book must be interpreted that way.

You make it sound like Paul just offered a "few verses" randomly
about the Messiah...as if he just pulled them out of the air!!!:BangHead:

You are not following the whole discussion of this book....he is explaining what you are denying...Gentiles coming in Confirm the promises made to the fathers.....

Similes and metaphors are used extensively by Isaiah.
He starts in chapter one where perhaps you can actually understand one of them

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This kind of smug comment is why you are not allowed to see the truth here DHK....

I said this;

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This is part of my answer to these verses DHK...it is descriptive of Jesus confirming the promises made to the Fathers.

And your response was.....that Jesus did not do this?????

Jesus didn't do that.


Yes he did....right here...

8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.

11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.

12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

Notice there is where isa 11 is quoted-

you can say he did not do that...but scripture says it quite clearly....if you deny it, chances are you cannot believe it at the same time:laugh:

Scripture is clear; why not believe it?

You ask me this question as you deny the plain scripture right here!

The covenants were given to Israel.

yes....some were, and others were made before Israel was a nation,

Paul does not describe a peaceful kingdom now. Paul adamantly says that Satan is the god of this world. He says that the kingdom now in this world is Satan's kingdom and Satan rules this earth. Christ's Kingdom is yet to come.

jesus rules the earth, not satan.satan is allowed to trouble the unsaved....but Jesus rules .

Do you believe in the "Lord's Prayer," that Jesus taught the disciples to pray?

I believe it as it is written, not as you attempt to change it.

"Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

The Kingdom "comes" as people are brought into it at regeneration.

We are to pray that God's Kingdom will still come,

You add .....will still come...as if it is not here as you miss this completely.The kingdom comes as the gospel spreads worldwide.

and meanwhile we still pray that his will, will be done in our lives as it is in heaven. Is it?

yes it is in the life of christians.

The kingdom is still to come

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It does not say anywhere.....is still to come...scripture says it is here-

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

29 For our God is a consuming fire.

And according to Rev.20:1-3 it is a thousand years in duration.

I know you are desperate to try and establish this:laugh:This passage is speaking of the souls who were beheaded , that John see's in heaven...not on earth , and it is said the reign with Jesus...He is in heaven....

This is Satan's kingdom not God's

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Wrong DHK.....God rules....not satan...

Now you go to the newspapers trying to make your point as you find no place in scripture that suggests your theory...

What happened in Washington D.C. in these past couple of days?
--A civilian goes on a shooting rampage killing people? This is your idea of God's kingdom? The curse has been lifted? Really?

Jesus rules in the "midst of His enemies"....they are real enemies DHK..in a fallen world, until the gospel overtakes them...psalm 110 is quoted 6x in the Nt...saying Jesus rules in the midst of His enemies...so your dramatic appeal and sarcasm based on newspaper events does not help you either. Scripture shuts you down once again:thumbsup:

What about in Colorado? Denver? Boulder? Colorado Springs?
--Floods such as they have never seen before, wiping out many of their homes, killing many people already, many are still missing. This is God's kingdom of peace? Really?

yes...this world is still under judgement, we are not in the eternal state.Kingdom growth is this worlds only way out....

What about in Syria, where President Bashar al Assad rules. He has killed hundreds with Sarin gas. Christ allows this in His Kingdom?? Surely you jest?

Jesus does allow this as many who offend are still being cut-off.

This is Satan's kingdom, not Christ's kingdom.

No Dhk this is my Fathers world, His kingdom....the kingdom of darkness is decreasing as the kingdom of light dispels it......

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

In Christ's Kingdom there will be peace not war. Here are some links for you to look at:

http://www.worthynews.com/12588-india-church-destroyed-christians-attacked-by-hindus

http://www.worthynews.com/12586-nigeria-demolition-of-church-buildings

And this is the peaceful kingdom of Christ? Are you serious??


This kingdom is Satan's kingdom.

This is a sad confession on your part DHK. I am in the Kingdom of God which always truimphs.

Christ's kingdom has not come yet, for Christ has not yet come. When he comes there will be peace. We live in a wicked world where the evil one is reigning.

the angels did not agree with you at the birth of Jesus;
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Why must everything be a covenant to you? The covenant was to Israel. It is then Israel will be restored as a nation and God's promises to her fulfilled. What has that to do with the Gentiles? Nothing!

This is at the heart of it.You deny gentile inclusion in the Covenant.the Covenant is central to all theology.Until you understand that, you will continue on in error...

10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.