Featured Question For My Reformed Brothers And Sistes, Will God Take Care Of Us?

If we keep in mind that Gods way and thoughts are higher than ours... We will find that when we get to Heaven, Because of Gods Amazing Grace, Love, Truth and Mercy through the shed blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ... That the one standing next to us, is a child of the King... Even though in this life we had our doubts?... From the cradle to the grave HE WILL SAVE!... John saw an INNUMERABLE HOST AS THE SAND OF THE SEA AND THE STARS OF THE SKY, THAT NO MAN CAN NUMBER... GATHERED AROUND THE THRONE... These are the ELECT!... Any questions?... Brother Glen

 

One has to have a proper view on the results of the Fall in order to see it though!

 

Many fail to see just HOW we were all spiritual killed off by the Fall....

 

Spend some time reading the works of Augustine.

 

I agree, you should read up on Augustine
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ST. Augustine:
"On the Nature of Good"

Chapter 17.— Nature, in as Far as It is Nature, No Evil
No nature, therefore, as far as it is nature, is evil; but to each nature there is no evil except to be diminished in respect of good. But if by being diminished it should be consumed so that there is no good, no nature would be left; not only such as the Manichæans introduce, where so great good things are found that their exceeding blindness is wonderful, but such as any one can introduce.
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The manichaens introduced total depravity, probably by mixing up Buddhist teachings of the first noble truth that all is suffering to a distortion that all is evil.

The brilliant point Augustine makes is that if someone was totally diminished of what is "GOOD" then that entity would have no nature left at all.

That is someone who is totally depraved can't be human and has already been destroyed.

 

I have read his Confesions, what else would be good?

 

No,. as total depravity refers to the spiritual aspect of humanity has now been killed off by the Fall, and that is what is reborn again in Christ!

 

Spiritual isn't a lesser reality separated from the physical world. If "spiritually" you are not human.....then you are not human!


As Augustine says : But if by being diminished it should be consumed so that there is no good, no nature would be left;


The very nature of humanity is GOOD. God created it. The evil is the absence of Good and nature. Evil is unnatural, not natural. So if something is devoid of good it is destroyed it is something else. If there is no good there is also nothing there to save. It would be like trying to find salvation for "murder" or "rape" there is nothing to save there it is completely evil it is totally depraved.

That is why there no such thing as actually having a "sinful nature" although people can be very sinful.

 

Does anyone know what a "sistes" is?

 

You are teaching heresy here in regards to our nature and need of Jesus, for by your theology, all of us are right with God when born, and so why even need a saviour?

 

I never claimed perfect nature. The main point I am trying to make is that if you are Totally Depraved there is NOTHING THERE to save. There is nothing there GOOD, GOD MADE.

Catholic Catechism:

404 How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam "as one body of one man".293 By this "unity of the human race" all men are implicated in Adam's sin, as all are implicated in Christ's justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state.294 It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called "sin" only in an analogical sense: it is a sin "contracted" and not "committed" - a state and not an act.

405 Although it is proper to each individual,295 original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam's descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.

 

That is the heresy of baptismal regeneration ! and the Fall made us all spiritual dead to God and His ways!

 

The City of God

 

Do you have a scriptural support for this view? I've read my Bible through many, many times and I have never seen anything that supports this view. Or, I am misunderstanding you? I do that sometimes.

 

City of God.

I do understand. It's hard to stay with it. It's much like reading Plato's republic.

God Bless

 

City of God.

I do understand. It's hard to stay with it. It's much like reading Plato's republic.

God Bless

Here is a hard fact. The catechism means nothing to me. But I use it to show the hypocrisy of Catholic teachings. I don't hate Catholics. I believe that some Catholics do love the Lord with all their heart and are therefore saved, but the rest is grave error.

 

Well it would be a welcomed breathe of fresh air to hear opposition to Catholic teaching from the catechism rather then hearing opposition to phantom rules and beliefs we never held in the first place. I can't wait to hear about the errors.