PreachTREE
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?????????????????????????????????????The rule of what qualifies as immodest changes over time.
Bill Clinton, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
i hope we're not playing that game.
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?????????????????????????????????????The rule of what qualifies as immodest changes over time.
I think that if a person finds this bikini too sexual, the problem is with the person, and not the suit:Originally posted by PreachTREE:
which ones are those? the ones that are made out of buffalo hide? lol
What game? It's a true statement. In Jesus's time, it was immodest to bare one's legs and arms. In Victorian England, ankles had such power to incense men that upright women clothed even the legs of their tables and chairs.The rule of what qualifies as immodest changes over time.
I think that if a person finds this bikini too sexual, the problem is with the person, and not the suit:Originally posted by Johnv:
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which ones are those? the ones that are made out of buffalo hide? lol
What game? It's a true statement.</font>[/QUOTE]follow the previous posts Petrel. It seems as if JohnV is contradicting himself and playing word games as Bill Clinton did.Originally posted by Petrel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />The rule of what qualifies as immodest changes over time.
Originally posted by Petrel:
showing arms and legs in Jesus' time and ankles in the Victorian era is immodest- according to culture or Scripture?In Jesus's time, it was immodest to bare one's legs and arms. In Victorian England, ankles had such power to incense men that upright women clothed even the legs of their tables and chairs.
Originally posted by Johnv:
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if a group of christians were naked in hawaii worshipping on a beach, would you also come naked?
If you find that immodest as a rule, then the problem is with you, not the suit.Originally posted by Helen:
That's essentially colored underwear, John.
On the contrary. I've been very consistent.Originally posted by PreachTREE:
It seems as if JohnV is contradicting himself and playing word games as Bill Clinton did.
I think that if a person finds this bikini too sexual, the problem is with the person, and not the suit: </font>[/QUOTE]It's a good discusstion John, but please refrain from putting to links to sites that may be offensive to those who hold views opposite of yours. We don't need to advertise the fashion shows of the secular world.Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by PreachTREE:
which ones are those? the ones that are made out of buffalo hide? lol
There's an excellent book called A Return to Modesty: Discovering the Lost Virtue that gives other examples of unusual modesty customs in other cultures in one of the early chapters. I'd definitely recommend it.Originally posted by Johnv:
In parts of Ecuador, Christian women do not cover their upper bodies. Their culture defines modesty as covering your pelvic region. When you go to church, you put on a beaded necklace. That's proper attire for church. Most men and women are bare from the waist up. But you'd never be caught without your beaded necklace, because the exposed neck is considered sexual, while exposed breasts are not.
In parts of Papua New Guinea, men and women wear nothing except a rope belt and a woven sash. Immodest attire is not having your belt and sash. If you go to a Christian church in these areas, everyone's genitals are exposed, but no one would dare have a sash that is tatterred.
Originally posted by PreachTREE:
tell me, with those cultures/tribes where bare chests is accepted, who is their authority? when we analyze a culture and say that certain practices are ok simply because it is their custom, we are wrong. who is the authority of these jungle tribes? Paganism is. Not God. Will it take time for these certain cultures to adjust? yes! But to simply participate in their culture would be to tolerate it.
here you go again. stop speaking for all these churches.Originally posted by Johnv:
If you go to a Christian church in these areas, everyone's genitals are exposed, but no one would dare have a sash that is tatterred.
Okay. But a link to a page in a JC Penney catalog (depicting a plain and unremarkable two piece bathing suit) isn't exactly scandalous. But I'm also aware that your task as moderator isn't exactly fun at times.Originally posted by DHK:
It's a good discusstion John, but please refrain from putting to links to sites that may be offensive to those who hold views opposite of yours. We don't need to advertise the fashion shows of the secular world.
Oh yes, I forgot. It's your job to speak for all the churches.Originally posted by PreachTREE:
here you go again. stop speaking for all these churches.
Oh yes, I forgot. It's your job to speak for all the churches.Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by PreachTREE:
here you go again. stop speaking for all these churches.
Originally posted by PreachTREE:
we can commit adultery in our hearts (Matthew 5:28) Should it not be our jobs to help avoid this?
For some, a parka will cause a person to commit adultery of the heart.you john said that bathing suits do not cause you to commit "adultery," but for some they do.