Questioning the salvation of others on the BB

[Scarlett O.]

There is not only some questioning of the salvation of an individual, but some direct assertions that this individual is not saved. Will someone please deal with that today? :BangHead:

There's a lot of stife on the BB as of late and I find myself getting viciously angry ever time I come here.

I'm taking three days off from here and am going to do some serious prayer for my own attitude adjustment and for the attitude adjustment of us all here. The devil is having a field day and the glory of God is not being exalted - certainly not in ALL threads here, but in quite a few.

See you Friday.

 

[Dr. Bob]

We are giving suspensions and actually banning some. This is sad. Thousands of non-Christians read posts (linked her by google searches).

The vitriolic spirit will not continue.

 

[convicted1]

These things need not be tolerated by anyone on here. WTG Dr. Bob!! :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[percho]

IMHO we should all be careful. We all feel the following applies to, "I";

But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

And it may or may not even apply and we may fall in the following category;

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Therefore the deciding factor could be the following;

This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.


I am sure many disagree with my post but they should not hate me for what I post, I like all post as I feel I am led by one of the above.

 

[Arbo]

Administrative action has been sorely needed. Glad to see it noticed.

 

[Don]

I've been debating posting this for several hours now.

I watched a thread where a young man identified mental illness; then I watched as he was told that he could be "fixed" if he only confessed and repented. I was sorely reminded of Job being told by his 3 friends that all he needed to do was confess and repent.

Then I watched this young man post a close-to-home situation, and could see his pain in his message. He let his pain and anger get the best of him, and reacted in an emotional manner; and for the way he posted, I agree with his banning, although I hope it's temporary.

But then I turn around and see Job's 3 friends, and see that they're still posting without restraint; and I can't help but wonder: Did we shoot the victim?

I myself am not without blame; I've had posters who managed to push my buttons, and I admit I've reacted poorly. I've even allegedly violated BB rules by calling someone a liar; but I showed where the individual posted erroneous information, but failed to acknowledge their error and rejected the proof confirming their error (in other words, willful rebellion against the truth). I fully expected to be admonished, suspended, possibly even banned for how harshly I reacted to that individual; but I couldn't allow what this person was posting to be perceived as truth, when it quite obviously wasn't.

I'm not attempting to make an excuse for the poster that was banned. As I said before, he let pain/anger/emotions get the best of him, and it was best to give him a cooling off period.

But I do have to question: When he posted about the subject originally, and was then taken to task for having--at the least, it was implied that he had/has--unconfessed sin ... what's the "line in the sand" where we say that was uncalled for, and worthy of suspension?

If it were a schoolyard fight--and much of it looked exactly like an elementary, or even kindergarten, schoolyard fight--would we punish all the kids involved? Or only the one that caused more damage than the others? In other words, do we punish only the worst offender? Or do we take action against all offenders?

Perhaps the moderators have taken action in other fashions that I'm unaware of; but I can only comment on what I can see (remember 1 Thess 5:22?).

Much to ponder today. Perhaps following Scarlett's lead and taking a few days time-out isn't a bad idea all around.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

There is a lot going on that the general membership is not privy to. It is not fair to any member to make administrative dealings public. Threads were posted during the night (US time) than have been moved to the Admin forum. Members need to help by using the 'report post' button when things get out of hand.

 

[Arbo]

But then I turn around and see Job's 3 friends, and see that they're still posting without restraint; and I can't help but wonder: Did we shoot the victim?

I saw the Victim's posts from this morning and agree that action was warranted, but I also noticed at least one of the Three Friends continuing to goad him along after it was obvious that there was a crisis.

What does it take to get suspended or banned? Certainly cursing will, but apparently trolling, maliciousness, accusations of apostacy, and bullying will not.

What is the standard? Is there only one?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

The admins have the threads. They know I was not being malicious, nor was I bullying, nor was I trolling, nor was I accusing of apostasy.

I was on when the posts were posted. I was attacked in practically every one, even though I had not done a thing to warrant his behavior.

I reported his actions as inflammatory. I will do so with any future posts that attack either me, or my wife.

 

[Don]

The admins have the threads. They know I was not being malicious, nor was I bullying, nor was I trolling, nor was I accusing of apostasy.

No one who ever commits a trespass actually thinks they're committing a trespass, now do they? The actual trespass, especially in light of Matthew 18, is always in the mind of the one who was trespassed against.

I was on when the posts were posted. I was attacked in practically every one, even though I had not done a thing to warrant his behavior.

Really? You did nothing? Nothing at all? Are you sure?

I've been called evil, and initially I thought the same way; what did I do to warrant such an attack? The answer: I posted something that this person disagreed with. So, in essence, I really did do something to warrant the attack.

As the old adage goes, if you're pointing one finger at someone, there's usually 3 other fingers pointing back at you.

I reported his actions as inflammatory. I will do so with any future posts that attack either me, or my wife.

As you should have. He went off the deep end.

There is much in this whole situation that we should all be doing some serious self-inspection about, just like Scarlett.

See y'all later.

 

[mont974x4]

People who claim the name of Christ but also believe things counter to Scripture should be challenged. People who claim the name of Christ yet exhibit attitudes of sin and discord should also be challenged. We should also be examining ourselves to be sure are of the faith.

This is counter to the culture of the day. The lack of this examination, discerning, and challenging is the reason for the sorry state of the Church in the West. Another reason is that when this is actually done, it is not always done very well.

 

[saturneptune]

People who claim the name of Christ but also believe things counter to Scripture should be challenged. People who claim the name of Christ yet exhibit attitudes of sin and discord should also be challenged. We should also be examining ourselves to be sure are of the faith.

This is counter to the culture of the day. The lack of this examination, discerning, and challenging is the reason for the sorry state of the Church in the West. Another reason is that when this is actually done, it is not always done very well.

I agree. In six years here, I have seen some hotly debated threads, but the series of threads over the last two months on depression, mental illness, and human suffering went over the line so bad, they turned my stomach. In fact, I got a warning for calling an unnecessary name to one of the three individuals who were flaming, trolling, baiting, and making people who have such a condition feel worse than they did. There could be no purpose for this other than pure meanness and evil.

Hats off to the leaders of this board for their actions.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

I agree. In six years here, I have seen some hotly debated threads, but the series of threads over the last two months on depression, mental illness, and human suffering went over the line so bad, they turned my stomach. In fact, I got a warning for calling an unnecessary name to one of the three individuals who were flaming, trolling, baiting, and making people who have such a condition feel worse than they did. There could be no purpose for this other than pure meanness and evil.

Hats off to the leaders of this board for their actions.

There was no "pure meanness and evil" in my posts, nor those of my wife. We used Scripture where possible to strengthen our stance and quotes from certified psychiatric doctors.

It wasn't meanness or evil on our part, but rather misunderstanding on your part.

 

[saturneptune]

There was no "pure meanness and evil" in my posts, nor those of my wife. We used Scripture where possible to strengthen our stance and quotes from certified psychiatric doctors.

It wasn't meanness or evil on our part, but rather misunderstanding on your part.

You can stop right there. I mentioned no names. Why do you protest?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

saturnneptune,
You didn't have to mention names. Everybody knows who you are talking about. No need to play your games.

 

[saturneptune]

saturnneptune,
You didn't have to mention names. Everybody knows who you are talking about. No need to play your games.

Again, as usual, your opinion, no facts or proof.

 

[abcgrad94]

There is a lot going on that the general membership is not privy to. It is not fair to any member to make administrative dealings public. Threads were posted during the night (US time) than have been moved to the Admin forum. Members need to help by using the 'report post' button when things get out of hand.

I sincerely hope that ALL those at fault will be dealt with, not just the "victim."

One can only kick, goad, and poke at a wounded creature for so long before the creature snaps back in defense. Purposely goading others to provoke them to anger, then taunting them when they do snap and sin, is NOT godly behavior.

 

[agedman]

A big part of the problems of extreme interaction of the BB is not being able to actually see the person and assume a certain reception/reaction to what we post.

Is it EVER right to question the salvation of another?

I am not certain there is a Scriptural permission for such to take place.

Perhaps someone might suggest a text and context where such judgment is within the scope of the believer to make.

 

[convicted1]

"Let them who have no sin, first cast a stone at her."

In regards to sin, we all live in "glass houses". If you throw a stone, you'd better keep your eyes open for one coming back at you.

 

[convicted1]

A big part of the problems of extreme interaction of the BB is not being able to actually see the person and assume a certain reception/reaction to what we post.

Is it EVER right to question the salvation of another?

I am not certain there is a Scriptural permission for such to take place.

Perhaps someone might suggest a text and context where such judgment is within the scope of the believer to make.

God told Samuel that men look on the outward appearence of men, but He looks at the heart. None of us have xray vision.