charlie parker
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Orvie, ya fergot contemptible---
Charlie
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Questions for KJVOs
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charlie parker
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Orvie wrote>>"sorry Charlie, there's no such thing as "Bible language"..it's true there are a few special words, i.e. "propitiation", etc...but "Bible language"? Even the N.T. was written in the common Greek of the day; Koine, instead of the more formal Attic Greek. Sound familar? Hey, what a minute! that sounds like a case for the MV's, instead of the classical English of the KJV "
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I thought the autographs were in the first century koine in the attic dialect, guess I missed something.
Charlie
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I thought the autographs were in the first century koine in the attic dialect, guess I missed something.
Charlie
ScottEmerson
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From Charlie:
"just for grins tho, check the niv reading on who killed Goliath, talk about conflict."
No way you're 65. I think you're telling a mistruth here.
"just for grins tho, check the niv reading on who killed Goliath, talk about conflict."
No way you're 65. I think you're telling a mistruth here.
charlie parker
New Member
Well brother, you figger it out, I watched ole diploticus(?) stagger off into the tar pits, forget the year, believe it or not, I used to have a really winning personality till they replaced a valve (mitral) in my heart with a pig valve, since then, Im obnoxious to myself---n I hate skinny folks Im 6 2 n weigh 170, now splain that----.
Charlie,
ps I have never posted under an alias.
Charlie,
ps I have never posted under an alias.
charlie parker
New Member
Originally posted by Archangel7:
Remember that the Greek text didn't have punctuation. Punctuate it properly and the NASB is correct:
"No man has seen God at any time; the only BEGOTTEN, GOD, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained him."
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Then why didnt the nasb punctuate it like that?
Charlie
Remember that the Greek text didn't have punctuation. Punctuate it properly and the NASB is correct:
"No man has seen God at any time; the only BEGOTTEN, GOD, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained him."
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Then why didnt the nasb punctuate it like that?
Charlie
charlie parker
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robycop3wrote>>>"Here's some of the lowdown on Ruckman:"
I have known Dr. Ruckman personally for over 20 yrs, your "lowdon" is nothing more than gossip, I grant you that it is low down gossip. Satan has hit the man with everything he has to no avail, he still champions Gods holy word and is sustained by the prayers of at least 10,000 bible believers who own one or more copies of a perfect translation of Gods word, who believe it from cover to cover including the cover and submit 100% to the authority of this Majestic revelation of the mind of God.
Charlie
I have known Dr. Ruckman personally for over 20 yrs, your "lowdon" is nothing more than gossip, I grant you that it is low down gossip. Satan has hit the man with everything he has to no avail, he still champions Gods holy word and is sustained by the prayers of at least 10,000 bible believers who own one or more copies of a perfect translation of Gods word, who believe it from cover to cover including the cover and submit 100% to the authority of this Majestic revelation of the mind of God.
Charlie
charlie parker
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Phillip wrote>>"Including the cover?"
Yes Sir, "Holy Bible"
Charlie
Yes Sir, "Holy Bible"
Charlie
charlie parker
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gb wrote>>"You are separating education and spirituality. They do not need to be separated. A person can be very well educated and very godly at the same time. Look at 2 Timothy 2:15. If that isn't education what is it? If you want a real education study God."
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Amen brother, Theres just one problem, the vs you quoted for your authority is not in your bible, 2 Tim.2:15 is found only in the AV as quoted above,
Someone dont want christians to study Gods word for some reason,
nasb."Be ddiligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, handling accurately the word of truth."
nkjv."Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth"
rsv>"Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth."
tlb>" Work hard so God can say to you "well done." be a good workman,one who does not need to be ashamed when God examines your work."
nwt>" Do your utmost to present yourself approved to God, a workman with nothing to be ashamed of, handling the word of truth aright."
Like I said Someone dont want a christian to study, by the way, Its the only vs in the Holy Bible that commands us to study and all the mv's kick "study" out lining up with the jw nwt.
Charlie
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Amen brother, Theres just one problem, the vs you quoted for your authority is not in your bible, 2 Tim.2:15 is found only in the AV as quoted above,
Someone dont want christians to study Gods word for some reason,
nasb."Be ddiligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, handling accurately the word of truth."
nkjv."Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth"
rsv>"Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth."
tlb>" Work hard so God can say to you "well done." be a good workman,one who does not need to be ashamed when God examines your work."
nwt>" Do your utmost to present yourself approved to God, a workman with nothing to be ashamed of, handling the word of truth aright."
Like I said Someone dont want a christian to study, by the way, Its the only vs in the Holy Bible that commands us to study and all the mv's kick "study" out lining up with the jw nwt.
Charlie
1. I think it is the better translation
2. Both. The King James Version (KJV) is translated off of the "Textus Receptus" or Received Text. There are currently 5,321 of these manuscripts that have been found and they all massively agree. The Revised Standard Version (RSV), the New International Version (NIV) and most of the other newer versions are translated from the Alexandrian manuscripts. There are currently 45 of these manuscripts, in which, no two consecutive verses in them agree!
In my opinion, it would be "better" to have 5,321 witnesses saying the same thing than 45 witnesses saying different things.
3. I don't have as much against the NKJV as I do all the rest. I would rather someone use a NKJV than no bible at all. What I have against the NKJV is very minor compared to all the others. (like when Jesus said in Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." The liberal NKJV changes damned to condemned. They did the same in Romans 14:23 and 2 Thes 2:12. Most words from other languages have more than one meaning. Yes, I know that the Greek word in question here can be translated either way, and I think that the KJV has it right. Then Gen 2:18 in the NKJV states "I will make a helper COMPARABLE TO HIM" Where did the NKJV translators get that word "Comparable" from? Not from the T.R. Anyway, I know you are probably thinking these are so minor. I could go on, and on but like I said earlier, I do not have as much agains the NKJV as I have against all the other corrupt versions. Oh yeah, I am not sure I like that the NKJV has the symbol of the female god trinity on the cover.
4. N/A. I only think it is the best translation in English. I have found some words that should have been translated better, but the meaning of the verse stayed the same.
5. The Textus Receptus. There are different degrees of accuracy. The originals were 100% accurate, and everything else is not. But the KJV is more accurate than all the other English versions that are in print today.
6. Again, there are diffent degrees of accuracy and I do not believe that any translation can possibly be 100% accurate.
I do not bother getting in to debates about KJV vs NKJV. Now, I can put all other Bibles NIV, RSV, Message, and NASB to shame when compared to the KJV (as I do in my website: http://biblestuff.freerovin.com/favorite_links.html )
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2. Both. The King James Version (KJV) is translated off of the "Textus Receptus" or Received Text. There are currently 5,321 of these manuscripts that have been found and they all massively agree. The Revised Standard Version (RSV), the New International Version (NIV) and most of the other newer versions are translated from the Alexandrian manuscripts. There are currently 45 of these manuscripts, in which, no two consecutive verses in them agree!
In my opinion, it would be "better" to have 5,321 witnesses saying the same thing than 45 witnesses saying different things.
3. I don't have as much against the NKJV as I do all the rest. I would rather someone use a NKJV than no bible at all. What I have against the NKJV is very minor compared to all the others. (like when Jesus said in Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." The liberal NKJV changes damned to condemned. They did the same in Romans 14:23 and 2 Thes 2:12. Most words from other languages have more than one meaning. Yes, I know that the Greek word in question here can be translated either way, and I think that the KJV has it right. Then Gen 2:18 in the NKJV states "I will make a helper COMPARABLE TO HIM" Where did the NKJV translators get that word "Comparable" from? Not from the T.R. Anyway, I know you are probably thinking these are so minor. I could go on, and on but like I said earlier, I do not have as much agains the NKJV as I have against all the other corrupt versions. Oh yeah, I am not sure I like that the NKJV has the symbol of the female god trinity on the cover.
4. N/A. I only think it is the best translation in English. I have found some words that should have been translated better, but the meaning of the verse stayed the same.
5. The Textus Receptus. There are different degrees of accuracy. The originals were 100% accurate, and everything else is not. But the KJV is more accurate than all the other English versions that are in print today.
6. Again, there are diffent degrees of accuracy and I do not believe that any translation can possibly be 100% accurate.
I do not bother getting in to debates about KJV vs NKJV. Now, I can put all other Bibles NIV, RSV, Message, and NASB to shame when compared to the KJV (as I do in my website: http://biblestuff.freerovin.com/favorite_links.html )
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Caissie, Welcome to BB.
I just want to ask you a question.
Do you think the TR is the same as the Majority Text. You seemed to interchange them.
The Majority of all the texts disagree with the TR.
In those places how is one to choose which text to use?
You post "The King James Version (KJV) is translated off of the "Textus Receptus" or Received Text. There are currently 5,321 of these manuscripts that have been found and they all massively agree."
The problem with this is, yes they agree with one another, but differ from the TR.
I know of two places:
1, 1 john 5:7
2, The end of Rev.
Are you saying that we should accept the TR in these places even though they disagree with all other texts (Majority texts)?
If so on what authority?
Is Older bettter, or more better?
I just want to ask you a question.
Do you think the TR is the same as the Majority Text. You seemed to interchange them.
The Majority of all the texts disagree with the TR.
In those places how is one to choose which text to use?
You post "The King James Version (KJV) is translated off of the "Textus Receptus" or Received Text. There are currently 5,321 of these manuscripts that have been found and they all massively agree."
The problem with this is, yes they agree with one another, but differ from the TR.
I know of two places:
1, 1 john 5:7
2, The end of Rev.
Are you saying that we should accept the TR in these places even though they disagree with all other texts (Majority texts)?
If so on what authority?
Is Older bettter, or more better?
Ed Edwards
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Caissie: "There are currently 45 of these manuscripts, in which, no two consecutive verses in them agree!"
This is not only untrue, it doesn't
make sense. What were you trying to say?
Caissie: "Oh yeah, I am not sure I like that
the NKJV has the symbol of the female god trinity on the cover. "
Tee hee.
This is an intellegence test:]
what is the name of this symbol?
BTW, are the symbols on the cover of a translation
inerrant to the same degree as the translated text
(recall somebody other than the translators put it there).
Therefore i conclude your saying of it is a waste of time.
Mt 12:36 (nKJV):
But I say to you that for every idle word men
may speak, they will give account of it
in the day of judgment
BTW, i don't care a bit for words that decry
my final authority: the New King James Version (nKJV).
Welcome, Cassie.
BTW, which KJV do you use?
I'm retiring my KJV1769 (God's Holy Written Word)
for a Holman CHristian Standard Bible /HCSB/
(God's Holy Written Word).
This is not only untrue, it doesn't
make sense. What were you trying to say?
Caissie: "Oh yeah, I am not sure I like that
the NKJV has the symbol of the female god trinity on the cover. "
Tee hee.
This is an intellegence test:]
what is the name of this symbol?
BTW, are the symbols on the cover of a translation
inerrant to the same degree as the translated text
(recall somebody other than the translators put it there).
Therefore i conclude your saying of it is a waste of time.
Mt 12:36 (nKJV):
But I say to you that for every idle word men
may speak, they will give account of it
in the day of judgment
BTW, i don't care a bit for words that decry
my final authority: the New King James Version (nKJV).
Welcome, Cassie.
BTW, which KJV do you use?
I'm retiring my KJV1769 (God's Holy Written Word)
for a Holman CHristian Standard Bible /HCSB/
(God's Holy Written Word).
Ed Edwards
<img src=/Ed.gif>
Do you know that God has two Words?
1. God's written word: the Holy Bible
2. God's living word: Messiah Iesus
1. God's written word: the Holy Bible
2. God's living word: Messiah Iesus
