Questions Preterist MUST deal with to Fit the 70 A.D. Theory

[revmwc]

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all(holos) the world for a witness unto all(pas)nations; and then shall the end come.


Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole (holos)world.

Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all(pas) nations for the obedience of faith:

Matthew 24:14 fulfilled according to the words of Paul, using the same words as Jesus.

Game, set, match.....with a cherry on top:


Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

John Gill:

shall be preached in all the world; not only in Judea, where it was now confined, and that by the express orders of Christ himself; but in all the nations of the world, for which the apostles had their commission enlarged, after our Lord's resurrection; when they were bid to go into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature; and when the Jews put away the Gospel from them, they accordingly turned to the Gentiles; and before the destruction of Jerusalem, it was preached to all the nations under the heavens; and churches were planted in most places, through the ministry of it:
for a witness unto all nations; meaning either for a witness against all such in them, as should reject it; or as a testimony of Christ and salvation, unto all such as should believe in him:
and then shall the end come; not the end of the world, as the Ethiopic version reads it, and others understand it; but the end of the Jewish state, the end of the city and temple: so that the universal preaching of the Gospel all over the world, was the last criterion and sign, of the destruction of Jerusalem; and the account of that itself next follows, with the dismal circumstances which attended it.

:wavey::wavey:

I am glad you see you lost since Paul did not use hols on in talkiing about the gospel of the kingdom being preached. You missed yet agian, Paul said the faith of the Romans was "that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole (holos)world" again throughout the whole world and it continues to be spoken of throughout the whole world. You still miss the point that the N.T. was not completed when Romans was written and if God still had scripture to give us the Prophecy of Christ in Mt. 24:14 was the Gospel of the Kingdom would be preached in all (holos) the earth. Again you fall short in your attempt to grasp at the wanting of your doctrinal beliefs.
The Colosians verse you use the word every again is pas creatures as we see it means each and every creature, collectively some of all types. When was that gospel preached to those craetures? Maybe at the criteation? Again it is not saying the complete world or completely to all man or the world.

 

[thomas15]

Good thing he understood what Jesus meant and didn't listen to the doubting Thomas15 of his day. But I'm confused, are you both saying Paul was wrong when he proclaimed the Gospel had been made known to all the nations? No one really wants to give a straight answer on that.

If Matt 24:14 was fufilled in the first century as you preterist think (Rom 16:26) then there was no need for Paul to be in the Gospel ministry in the mid 60s and thus would have been able to keep his head.

Rom 16:26 and now having been made manifest, also, through prophetic writings, according to a command of the age-during God, having been made known to all the nations for obedience of faith--

So is Paul a liar???

...But I'm confused...

Every now and then we find something to agree on.

 

[Grasshopper]

I am glad you see you lost since Paul did not use hols on in talkiing about the gospel of the kingdom being preached. You missed yet agian, Paul said the faith of the Romans was "that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole (holos)world" again throughout the whole world and it continues to be spoken of throughout the whole world.

So your telling me the the faith of the Romans was known by the INCAS, Aztecs, American Indians?

You still miss the point that the N.T. was not completed when Romans was written and if God still had scripture to give us the Prophecy of Christ in Mt. 24:14 was the Gospel of the Kingdom would be preached in all (holos) the earth.

Act 28:30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
Act 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Paul was preaching the Kingdom and no doubt same same message was being preached for the next 40 years.

What is your source for saying holos means that oikoumene must have a world wide meaning? Your focus is on holos and pas instead of oikoumene. If it meant world wide then wouldn't kosmos be a more appropriate word?

Again it is not saying the complete world or completely to all man or the world.

Bingo, but you insist Jesus did mean that because of one word, holos.

 

[Grasshopper]

If Matt 24:14 was fufilled in the first century as you preterist think (Rom 16:26) then there was no need for Paul to be in the Gospel ministry in the mid 60s and thus would have been able to keep his head.

Not only preterist:

John Wesley

Mat 24:14 This Gospel shall he preached in all the world - Not universally: this is not done yet: but in general through the several parts of the world, and not only in Judea And this was done by St. Paul and the other apostles, before Jerusalem was destroyed. And then shall the end come - Of the city and temple. Josephus's History of the Jewish War is the best commentary on this chapter. it is a wonderful instance of God's providence, that he, an eye witness, and one who lived and died a Jew, should, especially in so extraordinary a manner, be preserved, to transmit to us a collection of important facts, which so exactly illustrate this glorious prophecy, in almost every circumstance.

Secondly, is that how your church does missions? Proclaim the Gospel then pull up stakes and leave or quit?

Every now and then we find something to agree on.

Your character assasination and your exegesis are similar. You take statements out of context in order to support a view. As usual you add nothing to the debate. Perhaps you should stick with your one trick pony obsession, covenantalism.

 

[revmwc]

So your telling me the the faith of the Romans was known by the INCAS, Aztecs, American Indians?



Act 28:30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
Act 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Paul was preaching the Kingdom and no doubt same same message was being preached for the next 40 years.

What is your source for saying holos means that oikoumene must have a world wide meaning? Your focus is on holos and pas instead of oikoumene. If it meant world wide then wouldn't kosmos be a more appropriate word?


Bingo, but you insist Jesus did mean that because of one word, holos.

First let's answer what you say Bingo too, in the Collsians passage apss is used for every before creature not holos.
Now Holos means "all, whole, completely" Jeus said the Holos World would be reached. So you tell me with Holos what is meant? The whole complete world or just the known world of that time?
I see the whole and completely as just that the whole complete world would hear the Gospel of the Kingdom. You continue to miss where a passage uses pas for all and every and try to say it is holos.
In Matthew 24:14 holos is an adjective, VINES: "meaning the whole all and normally followed by a noun", in this case world. Vines As the word altogether holos Vines: "belongs to the thing refered to."
Where as pas follows nations ethnos meaning:
a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together
a company, troop, swarm
a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus
the human family
a tribe, nation, people group
in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles
Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians

So this would represent the nations or tribes of people in this case everyone in the tribe.
Jesus said the gospel would be spoken in the world compltely to every tribe, that would include every tribe on earth all mankind. Tha didn't happen prior to 70 A.D.
Paul was refering to the Romans faith being spoken in the whole realm of the Roman empire and even spoken of today. He didn't say the Gospel was spoken Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. Not the gospel but their faith. The INCAS, AZTECS and Americna tribes would have needed to hear the Gospel of the Kingdom spoken of in order to fulfill ALL thes things in Mat. 24:14 and we know it wasn't. Again God had more scripture to give mankind after the book of Romans was written therefore Mat. 24:14 was not fufilled when Paul spoke of the Romans faith being spoken of in the whole world.
Over and over we see the complete world not yet having heard the gospel even today native tribes in South America have yet to be reached, so why is God delaying the coming of Christ because the gosple has not been preached in the whole world. That is why he didn't come in 70 A.D as preterist teach. That just one thing fulfilled and there are others that have yet to be fulfilled but one is enough since Christ said ALL pas each and every one of these things must be fulfilled.

Now you and others speak this generation not passing away the greek word genea is used for generations the meaning:

fathered, birth, nativity
that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family
the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy
metaph. a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character
esp. in a bad sense, a perverse nation
the whole multitude of men living at the same time
an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied be each successive generation), a space of 30 - 33 years
this makes the generation of Jesus a little mute in point. This could be saying several things but notice the very last a space of 30 to 33 years, if Christ died in 33 A.D. that would remove his generation by 66 A.D. not 70 A.D. but the word for generation has all types of problems to teach it as the generation living at that time.

 

[Grasshopper]

Yes or no, when holos is used it means entire world not just Roman Empire?

Now Holos means "all, whole, completely" Jeus said the Holos World would be reached

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Yes, holos is describing world. So what does world mean? Why did Jesus not use kosmos?

The whole complete world or just the known world of that time?

Known world, that why oikoumene *was used and not kosmos.

I see the whole and completely as just that the whole complete world would hear the Gospel of the Kingdom. You continue to miss where a passage uses pas for all and every and try to say it is holos.

You have yet to show any source as to why holos means worldwide when used with oikoumene. Holos definition works just as well with region as it does worldwide. The whole or complete Roman Empire had the Gospel.

In Matthew 24:14 holos is an adjective, VINES: "meaning the whole all and normally followed by a noun", in this case world.

Yes! World being oikoumene not kosmos. Whole Roman Empire or whole known world.

Jesus said the gospel would be spoken in the world compltely to every tribe, that would include every tribe on earth all mankind. Tha didn't happen prior to 70 A.D.

Paul using the same Greek word say it was! I don't understand how you keep missing this.

Paul was refering to the Romans faith being spoken in the whole realm of the Roman empire and even spoken of today

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Where does Paul say even today.*

He didn't say the Gospel was spoken Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. Not the gospel but their faith. The INCAS, AZTECS and Americna tribes would have needed to hear the Gospel of the Kingdom spoken of in order to fulfill ALL thes things in Mat. 24:14 and we know it wasn't.

Only if you force oikoumene to mean kosmos. You did not answer, did those groups hear about the faith of the Romans?

Again God had more scripture to give mankind after the book of Romans was written therefore Mat. 24:14 was not fufilled when Paul spoke of the Romans faith being spoken of in the whole world

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What does the giving of more scripture have to do with the Gospel? Did neither Jesus or Paul teach the Gospel? That is what Matthew 24:14 is about.

Over and over we see the complete world not yet having heard the gospel even today native tribes in South America have yet to be reached, so why is God delaying the coming of Christ because the gosple has not been preached in the whole world. That is why he didn't come in 70 A.D as preterist teach. That just one thing fulfilled and there are others that have yet to be fulfilled but one is enough since Christ said ALL pas each and every one of these things must be fulfilled.

You have just destroyed the doctrine of imminency that most Dispies say the time statements of the Bible refer to. Since you believe the entire world is in focus then the teaching that Christ could have returned at anytime in the lives of the 1st century Apostles is falsified. Christ coming was not imminent then or now if that is the standard. Many parts of the world are still untouched by the Gospel today.*

Now you and others speak this generation not passing away the greek word genea is used for generations the meaning:

Show many anywhere else in Matthew or the other Gospels where "this generation" means anything other than Jesus' generation. Thomas Ice even acknowledges this fact.

an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied be each successive generation), a space of 30 - 33 years
this makes the generation of Jesus a little mute in point. This could be saying several things but notice the very last a space of 30 to 33 years, if Christ died in 33 A.D. that would remove his generation by 66 A.D. not 70 A.D. but the word for generation has all types of problems to teach it as the generation living at that time.

Even Hal Lindsey recognizes a generation to be around 40 years. Common belief among most all Dispies I have ever read.

 

[revmwc]

Yes or no, when holos is used it means entire world not just Roman Empire?

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Yes, holos is describing world. So what does world mean? Why did Jesus not use kosmos?




Known world, that why oikoumene *was used and not kosmos.



You have yet to show any source as to why holos means worldwide when used with oikoumene. Holos definition works just as well with region as it does worldwide. The whole or complete Roman Empire had the Gospel.



Yes! World being oikoumene not kosmos. Whole Roman Empire or whole known world.



Paul using the same Greek word say it was! I don't understand how you keep missing this.

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Where does Paul say even today.*



Only if you force oikoumene to mean kosmos. You did not answer, did those groups hear about the faith of the Romans?

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What does the giving of more scripture have to do with the Gospel? Did neither Jesus or Paul teach the Gospel? That is what Matthew 24:14 is about.



You have just destroyed the doctrine of imminency that most Dispies say the time statements of the Bible refer to. Since you believe the entire world is in focus then the teaching that Christ could have returned at anytime in the lives of the 1st century Apostles is falsified. Christ coming was not imminent then or now if that is the standard. Many parts of the world are still untouched by the Gospel today.*




Show many anywhere else in Matthew or the other Gospels where "this generation" means anything other than Jesus' generation. Thomas Ice even acknowledges this fact.



Even Hal Lindsey recognizes a generation to be around 40 years. Common belief among most all Dispies I have ever read.

Who said I was a common dispie?

 

[revmwc]

Yes or no, when holos is used it means entire world not just Roman Empire?

.*

Yes, holos is describing world. So what does world mean? Why did Jesus not use kosmos?




Known world, that why oikoumene *was used and not kosmos.



You have yet to show any source as to why holos means worldwide when used with oikoumene. Holos definition works just as well with region as it does worldwide. The whole or complete Roman Empire had the Gospel.



Yes! World being oikoumene not kosmos. Whole Roman Empire or whole known world.



Paul using the same Greek word say it was! I don't understand how you keep missing this.

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Where does Paul say even today.*



Only if you force oikoumene to mean kosmos. You did not answer, did those groups hear about the faith of the Romans?

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What does the giving of more scripture have to do with the Gospel? Did neither Jesus or Paul teach the Gospel? That is what Matthew 24:14 is about.



You have just destroyed the doctrine of imminency that most Dispies say the time statements of the Bible refer to. Since you believe the entire world is in focus then the teaching that Christ could have returned at anytime in the lives of the 1st century Apostles is falsified. Christ coming was not imminent then or now if that is the standard. Many parts of the world are still untouched by the Gospel today.*




Show many anywhere else in Matthew or the other Gospels where "this generation" means anything other than Jesus' generation. Thomas Ice even acknowledges this fact.



Even Hal Lindsey recognizes a generation to be around 40 years. Common belief among most all Dispies I have ever read.

oikoumene Vines:"to dwell, inhabit, denotes the inhabited earth. Translated world everywhere but Luke 21:26" Vines: the inhabited earth. is used (a) of the whole inhabited world in Matt.24:14; Luke 4:5;21:26:Rom 10:18; Heb. 1:6; Rev. 3:10;16:14" So vines applies it to the inhabited world and thus all the human beings in all regions of the earth.

 

[kyredneck]

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all(holos) the world for a witness unto all(pas)nations; and then shall the end come.


Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole (holos)world.

Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all(pas) nations for the obedience of faith:

Matthew 24:14 fulfilled according to the words of Paul, using the same words as Jesus.

Game, set, match.....with a cherry on top:


Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

John Gill:

shall be preached in all the world; not only in Judea, where it was now confined, and that by the express orders of Christ himself; but in all the nations of the world, for which the apostles had their commission enlarged, after our Lord's resurrection; when they were bid to go into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature; and when the Jews put away the Gospel from them, they accordingly turned to the Gentiles; and before the destruction of Jerusalem, it was preached to all the nations under the heavens; and churches were planted in most places, through the ministry of it:
for a witness unto all nations; meaning either for a witness against all such in them, as should reject it; or as a testimony of Christ and salvation, unto all such as should believe in him:
and then shall the end come; not the end of the world, as the Ethiopic version reads it, and others understand it; but the end of the Jewish state, the end of the city and temple: so that the universal preaching of the Gospel all over the world, was the last criterion and sign, of the destruction of Jerusalem; and the account of that itself next follows, with the dismal circumstances which attended it.

:wavey::wavey:

:thumbs:

Mt 24:14 was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost. To 'the eleven' Christ said :

But ye shall receive power, when the Holy Spirit is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea and Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 1:8

Take note Christ said, 'ye shall' receive power, 'ye shall' be my witnesses unto the end of the earth. Period. He didn't say I want you to try to do it, He told them that they indeed would do it.

In the very next chapter Luke records:

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit [RECEIVED POWER].......
5 Now there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven [UTTERMOST PART OF THE EARTH].
6 .........every man heard them speaking in his own language [WITNESSES OF CHRIST]. Acts 2

Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, in Judaea and Cappadocia, in Pontus and Asia, in Phrygia and Pamphylia, in Egypt and the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and sojourners from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians, we hear them speaking in our tongues the mighty works of God. Acts 2:9-11

What do you think that those 'Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven' in Acts 2 did when they all went back home from the feast of Pentecost, after hearing and believing the gospel and themselves having received power from the Holy Spirit?

The preaching at Pentecost was a 'gospel bomb' that fulfilled Christ's words of Mt 24:14.

 

[revmwc]

:thumbs:

Mt 24:14 was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost. To 'the eleven' Christ said :

But ye shall receive power, when the Holy Spirit is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea and Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 1:8

Take note Christ said, 'ye shall' receive power, 'ye shall' be my witnesses unto the end of the earth. Period. He didn't say I want you to try to do it, He told them that they indeed would do it.

In the very next chapter Luke records:

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit [RECEIVED POWER].......
5 Now there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven [UTTERMOST PART OF THE EARTH].
6 .........every man heard them speaking in his own language [WITNESSES OF CHRIST]. Acts 2

Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, in Judaea and Cappadocia, in Pontus and Asia, in Phrygia and Pamphylia, in Egypt and the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and sojourners from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians, we hear them speaking in our tongues the mighty works of God. Acts 2:9-11

What do you think that those 'Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven' in Acts 2 did when they all went back home from the feast of Pentecost, after hearing and believing the gospel and themselves having received power from the Holy Spirit? None went to the Americas or the Pacific Islands none went to the Eskimoes in the Artic, we know because there are still many that have never heard the Gospel preached. Missionaries are working everyday to get the Gospel to those peoples groups, by your theory their efforts are futile. Because all already heard prior to 70 A.D. though there is no proof and all evidence points to them not having heard
The preaching at Pentecost was a 'gospel bomb' that fulfilled Christ's words of Mt 24:14.

So you believe the tribes in the Americas and the pacific Islands heard the message Peter Preached on Pentacost. Since none of them were there can you tell us how they heard the Pentacostal message? The whold entire inhabited world has to hear the Gospel and that still has yet to happen. Christ said when ALL the inhabited world heard the Gospel and ALL the other things were fulfilled then He would return. So can you answer the other question posed as to when these were fulfilled? Christ said ALL must be fulfilled.

Acts 1:9 "Ye" whosoever believes will receive power to be witnesses, that means you and I have the power to be witnesses where we live and whereever we go. When the Holy Spirit indwells and fills us at salvation we received the power to be witnesses, that is still happening today.

 

[kyredneck]

So you believe the tribes in the Americas and the pacific Islands heard the message Peter Preached on Pentacost....

I'm content to believe the scriptures (as you should be also) as stated here:

So belief cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. But I say, Did they not hear? Yea, verily, Their sound went out into all the earth, And their words unto the ends of the world. Ro 10:17-18

and here:

5 because of the hope which is laid up for you in the heavens, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel,
6 which is come unto you; even as it is also in all the world bearing fruit and increasing, as it doth in you also, since the day ye heard and knew the grace of God in truth;
23 if so be that ye continue in the faith, grounded and stedfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel which ye heard, which was preached in all creation under heaven; whereof I Paul was made a minister. Col 1

and here:

Now to him that is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which hath been kept in silence through times eternal, but now is manifested, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, is made known unto all the nations unto obedience of faith: Ro 16:25-26

If the Spirit is content to state that the gospel HAS been preached throughout creation, who are you to contest that?

 

[revmwc]

I'm content to believe the scriptures (as you should be also) as stated here:

So belief cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. But I say, Did they not hear? Yea, verily, Their sound went out into all the earth, And their words unto the ends of the world. Ro 10:17-18

and here:

5 because of the hope which is laid up for you in the heavens, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel,
6 which is come unto you; even as it is also in all the world bearing fruit and increasing, as it doth in you also, since the day ye heard and knew the grace of God in truth;
23 if so be that ye continue in the faith, grounded and stedfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel which ye heard, which was preached in all creation under heaven; whereof I Paul was made a minister. Col 1

and here:

Now to him that is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which hath been kept in silence through times eternal, but now is manifested, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, is made known unto all the nations unto obedience of faith: Ro 16:25-26

If the Spirit is content to state that the gospel HAS been preached throughout creation, who are you to contest that?

Paul meaning in this was the known world at that time, verse 18 earth "Ge" strongs 5. a country, land enclosed within fixed boundaries, a tract of land, territory, region Their sound went into all (pas) the territory. Then their words to the (peras) boundries of the empire.
"Oikoumene" strongs 1b world from the Roman empire, all the subjects of the empire

This would exclude the whole inhabited earth. Paul used the word "Oikoumene" here in Romans almost exclusively of the Roman empire. Their words went to the dispersed Jews and the peoples of Rome. Jesus said in Mat. 24:14 ALL the inhbitants of the Whole Inhabited World would need to hear the Gospel. That would include every tribe of mankind in every part of the World and not limited by boundries. Does Peras have several meanings yes it does, however as you see Paul writing to the Romans he was dealing with those in Rome and those in the Empire of Rome.

 

[kyredneck]

Paul meaning in this was the known world at that time, verse 18 earth "Ge" strongs 5. a country, land enclosed within fixed boundaries, a tract of land, territory, region Their sound went into all (pas) the territory. Then their words to the (peras) boundries of the empire.
"Oikoumene" strongs 1b world from the Roman empire, all the subjects of the empire

This would exclude the whole inhabited earth. Paul used the word "Oikoumene" here in Romans almost exclusively of the Roman empire. Their words went to the dispersed Jews and the peoples of Rome. Jesus said in Mat. 24:14 ALL the inhbitants of the Whole Inhabited World would need to hear the Gospel. That would include every tribe of mankind in every part of the World and not limited by boundries. Does Peras have several meanings yes it does, however as you see Paul writing to the Romans he was dealing with those in Rome and those in the Empire of Rome.

Irregardless, the requirement of Mt 24:14 was satisfied by the time the NT was completed.

The solution to your reasonings and presuppositions lies in the the simple fact that the gospel was to 'the Jew first' [Acts 3:26; Ro 1:16]. I'm pretty sure that “the tribes in the Americas and the pacific Islands” had not yet heard the gospel at this time. I'm also pretty sure that there were no Jews amongst “the tribes in the Americas and the pacific Islands” at this time. Concerning the Jews, Paul wrote:

But I say, Did they not hear? Yea, verily, Their sound went out into all the earth, And their words unto the ends of the world. Ro 10:18

There was a very serious time line involved for every Jew of 'that generation' alive on the planet. The urgency of the message to 'the Jew first' was 'Save yourselves from this crooked generation' (Acts 2), and 'Every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people' (Acts 3).

Consider what was coming upon 'that generation':

upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mt 23:35,36

God made sure that every Jew on earth was given the chance to 'hearken to that prophet' before the wrath came. All the Jews of that generation on earth heard the gospel, and were given the chance to repent and escape the wrath that was to come upon 'that generation', and for their progeny to avoid the curses of the OT [Lev 26; Dt 28 & 31,32] that were to come upon the race. God gave her time to repent (a full forty year generation), but she would not.

 

[revmwc]

Irregardless, the requirement of Mt 24:14 was satisfied by the time the NT was completed.

The solution to your reasonings and presuppositions lies in the the simple fact that the gospel was to 'the Jew first' [Acts 3:26; Ro 1:16]. I'm pretty sure that “the tribes in the Americas and the pacific Islands” had not yet heard the gospel at this time. I'm also pretty sure that there were no Jews amongst “the tribes in the Americas and the pacific Islands” at this time also. Concerning the Jews, Paul wrote:

But I say, Did they not hear? Yea, verily, Their sound went out into all the earth, And their words unto the ends of the world. Ro 10:18

There was a very serious time line involved for every Jew of 'that generation' alive on the planet. The urgency of the message to 'the Jew first' was 'Save yourselves from this crooked generation' (Acts 2), and 'Every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people' (Acts 3).

Consider what was coming upon 'that generation':

upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mt 23:35,36

God made sure that every Jew on earth was given the chance to 'hearken to that prophet' before the wrath came. All the Jews of that generation on earth heard the gospel, and were given the chance to repent and escape the wrath that was to come upon 'that generation' and and for their progeny to avoid the curses of the OT [Lev 26; Dt 28 & 31,32] that were to come on the nation of Israel. God gave her time to repent (a full forty year generation), but she would not.

So by the 90's A.D. the Matt 24:14 by what you say "was satisfied by the time the NT was completed." but you say Christ returned in 70 A.D. seems that would mean that well it hadn't been fulfilled until after His return if He had in fact returned in 70 A.D. You say Revelation was completed by 70 A.D. yet extra Biblical History says it was written in 95 to 96 A.D. then too the Book of Jude is shown as dating to around a 90 something A.D. writting so that two books we still see yet to complete after 70 A.D. again you seem like the rest wanting to prove your Theory.

Theory: 1.rules and techniques: the body of rules, ideas, principles, and techniques that applies to a subject, especially when seen as distinct from actual practice
This fits preterism
2.speculation: abstract thought or contemplation
Again fits real well
3.idea formed by speculation: an idea of or belief about something arrived at through speculation or conjecture
This really fits well, since no Preterist has ever proven Christ returned in 70 A.D. nor can they offer proof, just Specualtion and Conjecture with no meat from God's word to back it up and no historical evidence that we should have from God because He does nothing in secret.

 

[revmwc]

Irregardless, the requirement of Mt 24:14 was satisfied by the time the NT was completed.

The solution to your reasonings and presuppositions lies in the the simple fact that the gospel was to 'the Jew first' [Acts 3:26; Ro 1:16]. I'm pretty sure that “the tribes in the Americas and the pacific Islands” had not yet heard the gospel at this time. I'm also pretty sure that there were no Jews amongst “the tribes in the Americas and the pacific Islands” at this time. Concerning the Jews, Paul wrote:

But I say, Did they not hear? Yea, verily, Their sound went out into all the earth, And their words unto the ends of the world. Ro 10:18

There was a very serious time line involved for every Jew of 'that generation' alive on the planet. The urgency of the message to 'the Jew first' was 'Save yourselves from this crooked generation' (Acts 2), and 'Every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people' (Acts 3).

Consider what was coming upon 'that generation':

upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mt 23:35,36

God made sure that every Jew on earth was given the chance to 'hearken to that prophet' before the wrath came. All the Jews of that generation on earth heard the gospel, and were given the chance to repent and escape the wrath that was to come upon 'that generation' and and for their progeny to avoid the curses of the OT [Lev 26; Dt 28 & 31,32] that were to come on the nation of Israel. God gave her time to repent (a full forty year generation), but she would not.

I see too you want to limit what Christ said now to only where the Jews were living, but from the Greek we see what He said, and that was that the whole complete inhabited world would hear the Gospel preached, He didn't say where the Jews where the Jews dwell in their midst, He said the complete whole inhabited World, that would include the Americas and Pacific Islands, where ever mankind inhabited a piece of ground the gospel would be preached to that people.

 

[kyredneck]

I'm done.....

 

[Grasshopper]

I'm done.....

Yep, waste of time. Never answered my questions.

 

[revmwc]

Yep, waste of time. Never answered my questions.

you sure never answered all of mine that is for sure, so your theory continues to come up wanting.

 

[revmwc]

I'm done.....

Might as well quit since you didn't answer the balance of the questions and never could answer the 1st one with any answers that made sense.

 

[kyredneck]

.....when this occured:
Mt. 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1740544#post1740544

I believe this never occured in 70 A.D. the gospel didn't reach the whole world, as we know America was not discovered until 1492, so the American Indians definitely hadn't heard the gospel of the kingdom before that time.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1740556#post1740556
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1740581#post1740581

....when this occured:
Mt. 24: 15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=63301

.....show when this occured:
Mt. 24: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1671933&highlight=SELF-INFLICTED+SUFFERINGS#post1671933

.....when this occured:
Mt. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1489975&highlight=cease+shine#post1489975

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1489992&highlight=clouds#post1489992

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1340449&highlight=clouds#post1340449

....this to be answered:
Mt. 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1489975&highlight=cease+shine#post1489975

(the rest of the OP is rambling reasonings that I'm not even going to try to decipher)