Racism in the United States as the World Watches

[targus]

I'm stumped.

Can anyone name a country anywhere in the world without a homogenous population that is without racism?

 

[Gina B]

How many governments are there in the world older than ours?

You can easily count them on one hand and they aren't talking.


However,
The U.S. Constitution is the oldest written national framework of government in the world.

So just who should we listen to?

We do not have a framework. We have a cool looking piece of paper with really awesome ideas on it, which has been amended, amended, amended, ignored, ignored, ignored, over ruled, and on rare and now rarer occasion, followed.
It means nothing when it is not upheld in deed.

 

[carpro]

We do not have a framework. We have a cool looking piece of paper with really awesome ideas on it, which has been amended, amended, amended, ignored, ignored, ignored, over ruled, and on rare and now rarer occasion, followed.
It means nothing when it is not upheld in deed.

So you're denying we have the oldest written framework for government in the world, that is amended extremely rarely, a process provided for in that framework.

Would you rather live life without the protections it provides? You can arrange that easily.

But back to your comment: What governments that have been in existence longer than ours should we listen to? What countries have more experience at being a Republic than ours?

You made the comment. Try to make it stand up.

 

[Gina B]

I would love to live under the protection it provides. That would be great. I'd love to see all American citizens living under the protection it provides. I want that for my children. How do we make that happen?

I cannot name other countries still standing that have the same framework. Maybe because it does not work. I think it is failing because corruption has been allowed to take a deep hold in the heart of our government and spider-web across the nation, resulting in the outrageous abuses we are seeing today.
Could it have worked? I think so. But looking back through history, it never really did. Can you name a relatively long period of time when it was actually working?

 

[carpro]

I would love to live under the protection it provides. That would be great. I'd love to see all American citizens living under the protection it provides. I want that for my children. How do we make that happen?

I know how you can unmake that happen.

Leave. Fast as you can.

 

[Gina B]

I know how you can unmake that happen.

Leave. Fast as you can.

Really? That is the standard reply from people who refuse to acknowledge problems. Attack the person who points them out and try to make them go away.

A true patriot would want to help heal their country and leave it better for the next generation. They certainly would not push away people who want to do that and hope they LEAVE.

What do you wish I would have said? Everything is great? Our government always has, does, and will do the right thing? The corruption does not exist? And I know your next reply will be "But it's still the best country on earth." And to that I say this: How do you plan to keep it that way?

 

[matt wade]

Exactly what protections provided by the Constitution are you failing to receive?

 

[poncho]

Protection from an over reaching executive, a bought and paid for corupt congress, and an activist judiciary.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

That's a great start.

 

[Gina B]

Exactly what protections provided by the Constitution are you failing to receive?

That's a tall order. If dealing only with amendments, here's a start: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...violations-the-u-s-bill-of-rights-hyperlinked

 

[carpro]

Really? That is the standard reply from people who refuse to acknowledge problems.

Acknowledging problems is one thing. Dealing with absurdity is another.

Until you get real, you're just not worth the trouble. Pretending you receive no protection whatsoever from the constitution is a complete lie.

But you never did answer the question. What country do we listen to whose government has been around longer than ours?

 

[Don]

I would also pose the question: what country do we listen to whose government hasn't been around as long as ours?

 

[carpro]

I would also pose the question: what country do we listen to whose government hasn't been around as long as ours?

You can ask, but that is not how she framed her comment. That's a horse of a different color.

I'd like to know what countries she's talking about.

But apparently, she's not prepared to say. Probably because none exist that meet her own criteria.

 

[Gina B]

Acknowledging problems is one thing. Dealing with absurdity is another.

Until you get real, you're just not worth the trouble. Pretending you receive no protection whatsoever from the constitution is a complete lie.

But you never did answer the question. What country do we listen to whose government has been around longer than ours?

Carpro, I answered your question according to your original intent of it here: http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2236984&postcount=64

I have attempted to engage you in a conversation about this topic and had hoped it could be somewhat meaningful. Instead of conversing, you have posed demands, told me to leave the country, and said I'm not worth talking to, while exaggerating my statements and instead of recognizing I hold a different viewpoint and trying to understand it, you attacked me.

Some joking around, a few tough words to make a point - that is fine but it is not what you're doing. This feels abusive and reeks of the same attitude I've seen in abusers. I no longer wish to converse with someone who treats me as worthless and says I am not worth it. Please do not talk to me anymore.

 

[carpro]

Carpro, I answered your question according to your original intent of it here: http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2236984&postcount=64

I have attempted to engage you in a conversation about this topic and had hoped it could be somewhat meaningful. Instead of conversing, you have posed demands, told me to leave the country, and said I'm not worth talking to, while exaggerating my statements and instead of recognizing I hold a different viewpoint and trying to understand it, you attacked me.

Some joking around, a few tough words to make a point - that is fine but it is not what you're doing. This feels abusive and reeks of the same attitude I've seen in abusers. I no longer wish to converse with someone who treats me as worthless and says I am not worth it. Please do not talk to me anymore.

Nice try, but you didn't quite pull it off. You avoided the answer to the question and made absurd statements to cover it up, claiming the constitution didn't exist anymore.. Then you would neither admit your absurdities nor offer an explanation of whatever the point was you were trying to make.

You were not abused, but instead dealt with like a recalcitrant child who couldn't answer a simple question and threw out a bunch of baloney to cover it up.

You were thoroughly dishonest through the whole thing and still are. Get over it and stop acting like a child.

 

[Gina B]

For anyone watching, I want to point out some red flags from Carpro. These are things one should always look for when placing someone in a position of trust - I.e. a church position such as counselor, teacher, or entering a relationship, etc..
First, please note that he edited his post to take out where he denies acting abusive and was instead treating me like a "recalcitrant child," among other things. Here are the red flags exhibited thus far:

1. Devalues you
2. Claims you are stupid, dumb, etc., whether by direct or indirect name-calling
3. Does not treat you as a fellow adult, and places him/herself in the role of adult and you as the child
4. Blames others for his poor treatment of them
5. Does not listen or show interest in your opinion or feelings
6. Must be right and requires no disagreement, often reverting to "punishing" or "correcting to their side" via shaming
7. Tells you how to act
8. Does not respect your boundaries. For example, you do not like how they are acting and ask them to leave you alone for a while, but instead of leaving they may redouble their behavior
9. Blame you for how they are acting. "I wouldn't have, but you made me because you are stupid, worthless, etc.."

Etc.. Those are a lot of red flags in a short amount of time.
Generally, I'd expect the next step, after being called out, to be attempts at making himself the victim and threatening that my calling him out is causing him severe distress for which he needs help, which is an attempt to discredit you and draw others to their side.

There are many red flags, some of which are simply warnings and may not mean much of anything on their own, but when you start seeing them come together like this, there should be no question. RUN!

 

[Zaac]

For anyone watching, I want to point out some red flags from Carpro. These are things one should always look for when placing someone in a position of trust - I.e. a church position such as counselor, teacher, or entering a relationship, etc..
First, please note that he edited his post to take out where he denies acting abusive and was instead treating me like a "recalcitrant child," among other things. Here are the red flags exhibited thus far:

1. Devalues you
2. Claims you are stupid, dumb, etc., whether by direct or indirect name-calling
3. Does not treat you as a fellow adult, and places him/herself in the role of adult and you as the child
4. Blames others for his poor treatment of them
5. Does not listen or show interest in your opinion or feelings
6. Must be right and requires no disagreement, often reverting to "punishing" or "correcting to their side" via shaming
7. Tells you how to act
8. Does not respect your boundaries. For example, you do not like how they are acting and ask them to leave you alone for a while, but instead of leaving they may redouble their behavior
9. Blame you for how they are acting. "I wouldn't have, but you made me because you are stupid, worthless, etc.."

Etc.. Those are a lot of red flags in a short amount of time.
Generally, I'd expect the next step, after being called out, to be attempts at making himself the victim and threatening that my calling him out is causing him severe distress for which he needs help, which is an attempt to discredit you and draw others to their side.

There are many red flags, some of which are simply warnings and may not mean much of anything on their own, but when you start seeing them come together like this, there should be no question. RUN!

You are 100% correct. He's caustic to talk to and you are entirely too nice a person to entertain his always evident anger issues. Classic signs of the type of person you don't want in the military or on the police force with a gun. But some kind of way, they always end up in one of the two.

 

[Gina B]

Thank you Zaac. I appreciate that.

 

[Revmitchell]

You are 100% correct. He's caustic to talk to and you are entirely too nice a person to entertain his always evident anger issues.

Do you actually read your won posts?

 

[InTheLight]

For anyone watching, I want to point out some red flags from Carpro. These are things one should always look for when placing someone in a position of trust - I.e. a church position such as counselor, teacher, or entering a relationship, etc..
First, please note that he edited his post to take out where he denies acting abusive and was instead treating me like a "recalcitrant child," among other things. Here are the red flags exhibited thus far:

1. Devalues you
2. Claims you are stupid, dumb, etc., whether by direct or indirect name-calling
3. Does not treat you as a fellow adult, and places him/herself in the role of adult and you as the child
4. Blames others for his poor treatment of them
5. Does not listen or show interest in your opinion or feelings
6. Must be right and requires no disagreement, often reverting to "punishing" or "correcting to their side" via shaming
7. Tells you how to act
8. Does not respect your boundaries. For example, you do not like how they are acting and ask them to leave you alone for a while, but instead of leaving they may redouble their behavior
9. Blame you for how they are acting. "I wouldn't have, but you made me because you are stupid, worthless, etc.."

Etc.. Those are a lot of red flags in a short amount of time.
Generally, I'd expect the next step, after being called out, to be attempts at making himself the victim and threatening that my calling him out is causing him severe distress for which he needs help, which is an attempt to discredit you and draw others to their side.

There are many red flags, some of which are simply warnings and may not mean much of anything on their own, but when you start seeing them come together like this, there should be no question. RUN!

This is a very insightful observation.