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RC Sprouls Church. Orthodox Reformed?

evangelist6589

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I do not understand. Why name a church like that of a Catholic Church? The church looks similar to Catholic churches at least in my experience, however the Theology is far different. Do women wear head coverings in this church? Have any of you been here and what did you think? Are there other reformed churches that take on this style and what are the major differences between this type of Reformed church and a Reformed Baptist or Reformed Bible church?
 
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padredurand

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evangelist6589 said:
http://www.saintandrewsonline.org/about/who-we-are/pastors-staff

I do not understand. Why name a church like that of a Catholic Church? The church looks similar to Catholic churches at least in my experience, however the Theology is far different. Do women wear head coverings in this church? Have any of you been here and what did you think? Are there other reformed churches that take on this style and what are the major differences between this type of Reformed church and a Reformed Baptist or Reformed Bible church?
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Try the link for History and Identity on the St. Andrew's website.

The Significance of Saint Andrew

This apostle and martyr was the brother of Saint Peter, and he preached the Gospel to many Asiatic nations. Foxe’s Book of Martyrs records that after Saint Andrew arrived at Edessa, the country’s governor threatened him for preaching against the local idols. Saint Andrew, persisting in the propagation of his doctrines, was ordered to be crucified with two ends of the cross fixed transversely in the ground (in the shape of an X). He boldly told his accusers that he would not have preached the glory of the cross if he had feared to die on it. Later, when they came to crucify him, he said that he coveted the cross and longed to embrace it. He was fastened to the cross with cords instead of nails, so that his death might be more slow. He remained on the cross for two days, preaching the greatest part of the time to the people, and expired on the 30th of November.
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preacher4truth

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evangelist6589 said:
http://www.saintandrewsonline.org/about/who-we-are/pastors-staff

I do not understand. Why name a church like that of a Catholic Church? The church looks similar to Catholic churches at least in my experience, however the Theology is far different. Do women wear head coverings in this church? Have any of you been here and what did you think? Are there other reformed churches that take on this style and what are the major differences between this type of Reformed church and a Reformed Baptist or Reformed Bible church?
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Some Presbyterian churches seem to have a very formal and 'orthodox' looking sanctuary. This does give a feel of Catholicism to some. A while back Sproul was preaching and giving credence to priests as mediators to whom we confess sins (I believe he used the confess sins one to another as justification -- James 5:16 -- to the best of my memory) I wish I knew the title of the message but I heard it on his Renewing Your Mind radio broadcast this past summer. That teaching seemed to get way to close to Catholicism.
 
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St. Andrews Chapel is a Protestant church. True. It has a beautiful stained glass window behind the pulpit. Perhaps that is what reminds some people of a Roman Catholic church?

There are Presbyterian denominations that are spartan in their sanctuaries. They would be akin to Primitive Baptists in that regard.

R.C. Sproul does not believe that a human priest can in any way fulfill a mediatorial role between another person and God.
 
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R.C. Sproul does not believe that a human priest can in any way fulfill a mediatorial role between another person and God.
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Are you sure?

We should note this Sacrament does not nullify the role of Christ as the sole mediator. In his letter to Timothy, Paul commands Christians to intercede (mediate) for all men while in almost the same breath he also insists Christ is the sole mediator between God and Man11. In delegating labor, Christ is not superseded. This point is lost on Protestants. But R.C. Sproul (a Calvinist theologian) writes (emphasis mine),

“Speaking as a Protestant, I think something very precious has been lost in the Protestant world in our ceasing the confessional practice. I have yet to meet a Christian who does not yearn to hear ‘your sins are forgiven’. And I think that authority, as the Roman Catholic Church believes, was indeed given to the church. That’s why even in Protestant churches we have ministers stand up and giving the assurance of pardon. People need the assurance that the sins they have confessed have indeed been forgiven…I’ve talked to psychiatrists who say that the biggest burden in term of mental illness of people in the United States is the burden of unresolved guilt. A psychiatrist said to me, Most people who come to see me need a priest more than they need a psychiatrist.12”
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http://www.holytrinityparish.net/Links/TheSacramentofConfession.pdf

Actually you'd be incorrect. I was somewhat shocked he defended confessing to priests as being in line with James 5:16 in a radio broadcast as well as in the above quote. It's unfortunate I can only search his archives back through November and I don't know the title of the message either as I heard it this past summer to the best of my recollection.
 
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Earth Wind and Fire

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Neva trust a Presbyterian of any stripe....they are sacrimental. I don't care what they say....that's a Catholic holdovers. Now if you can find a true Dutch Reformed church?
 
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Neva trust a Presbyterian of any stripe....they are sacrimental. I don't care what they say....that's a Catholic holdovers. Now if you can find a true Dutch Reformed church?
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I don't know, I like a lot of the things they teach (some of them) but too many haven't gotten far enough away from Rome.

Pretty silent after I've proven Sproul did in fact teach what I've stated, huh? Funny how persons come out with their 'nuh uh, he doesn't teach that' stuff. :thumbs:

Like I'd made it up? :saint:

Hello Reformed???? You there???? :laugh:
 
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Earth said:
Neva trust a Presbyterian of any stripe....they are sacrimental. I don't care what they say....that's a Catholic holdovers. Now if you can find a true Dutch Reformed church?
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Even a Free Presbyterian like Dr. Alan Cairns?
 
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...There are Presbyterian denominations that are spartan in their sanctuaries. They would be akin to Primitive Baptists in that regard.....
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Here's what the Reformed Baptists at Ligonier (R.C. Sproul) have to say about regeneration, which is right in line with Primitive Baptists concerning soteriology:

Regeneration Is Immediate
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/regeneration-immediate/

Excerpts:

"..... we mean that the new birth is something that happens without means. God the Holy Spirit alone works upon the soul, He does not use any other agent to change the heart."

"Though God does not make use of any means besides Himself to bring about regeneration, He does work through means in our sanctification, the process of growing in personal holiness. Scripture read and preached, the sacraments, prayer, and so on are all means that the Lord uses to mature us in Christ."
 
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Earth Wind and Fire

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The Reformed are a weird lot. While they have the soteriology straight they also disregard scripture when it comes baptism. Then there is this sacrimental connectionto the RCC. LASTLY: the insistance on Convenant Theology... :smilewinkgrin:
 
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Earth said:
The Reformed are a weird lot. While they have the soteriology straight they also disregard scripture when it comes baptism. Then there is this sacrimental connectionto the RCC. LASTLY: the insistance on Convenant Theology... :smilewinkgrin:
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How do they disregard scripture when it comes to baptism?

By the way, when I look above at your quote there's more red ink on it than one of my worstest english paypers derring skool yeers! :smilewinkgrin: :laugh:
 
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kyredneck said:
Here's what the Reformed Baptists at Ligonier (R.C. Sproul) have to say about regeneration, which is right in line with Primitive Baptists concerning soteriology:

Regeneration Is Immediate
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/regeneration-immediate/

Excerpts:

"..... we mean that the new birth is something that happens without means. God the Holy Spirit alone works upon the soul, He does not use any other agent to change the heart."

"Though God does not make use of any means besides Himself to bring about regeneration, He does work through means in our sanctification, the process of growing in personal holiness. Scripture read and preached, the sacraments, prayer, and so on are all means that the Lord uses to mature us in Christ."
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Ligonier is not a Reformed Baptist ministry. Sproul and crew are independent Presbyterians.
 
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