RCC kills everyone in Europe

Catholics in the U.S predominantly vote for the party that is pro-abortion. (Food for thought).

But back to our topic. I am "still waiting" for the pile of "catholic denials" that have been tossed onto this thread - to address the RCC's own language about "exterminating" its victims during the dark ages AND about "controlling" countries like Spain - and thereby participating in not only its LOCAL exterminations but also in the exterminations carried on by "its agents".

Those actions are "not" described even by the RCC sources quoted as "isoalate" or "incidental".

The RC efforts of CathConvert to "demonize the victims" as the RC quotes show the RCC doing in the dark ages -- and your own efforts to "minimize the term EXTERMINATION" during the centuries long work that the RC sources describe - does not constitute a "Christian" response to massive atrocity.

Still waiting for that "detailed", "objective", and "cogent" RC response to CATHOLIC sources quoted above.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Rom 13:11-14 11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.


1 Cor 15:33-34 33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.


Eph 5:11-16 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.


1Thes 5:5-8 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

Bye for now. Y. b. in C. Keith

 

MikeS makes a good point.

Our RC bretheren were apparently "sleeping" in class when their own RC sources covered the material - posted here - showing the Catholic statements on "extermination" in the dark ages.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Still waiting for that cogent RC reply to their own sources as listed above.

(OR possibly their own sources talking about "exterminating" protestants is of little importance even to modern day Catholics).

In Christ,

Bob

 

If I recall correctly it was in the northeast of our nation that women were killed for allegedly being witches. Now we hear of another kind of 'mortal sin' committed, not by the faithful laity but via the quasi-spiritual leaders around Boston. Why not have some more add-on theology and have the pope speak forth a new ex cathedra and let the clergy find the Biblical soul-mate that the Lord suggested in I Timothy 3:2.

The rule of forbidding the priests to marry must be still important to the on going tradition of the church, at least more important than losing those mega-millions of dollars in the litigation against them.

 

Ray said: "If I recall correctly it was in the northeast of our nation that women were killed for allegedly being witches. Now we hear of another kind of 'mortal sin' committed, not by the faithful laity but via the quasi-spiritual leaders around Boston. Why not have some more add-on theology and have the pope speak forth a new ex cathedra and let the clergy find the Biblical soul-mate that the Lord suggested in I Timothy 3:2."


Ray,

Doesn't 1 Cor 7 say celibacy is a calling. Seems like Jesus says that those who choose him over family in the Gospels should forgo a wife. Are there celibates in your Church who choose this as a life.

Matthew 19:29
"And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life.

Or is this asking men to abandon their families?

According to you these spiritual leaders may just be Christians who didn't give up their sin when they got saved so God will just take them home early. Perhaps that is what happened with that priest that God murdered in prison a couple of weeks ago. (according to your theology). I dare not judge his soul.

Witch burning. Seems that was a bigger problem with Protestantism than Catholicism. The Puritains were the main culprits in the Northeast. It is my understanding that in Europe the Calinists burned over 100,000 women suspected of being witches. King James was even known to have a witch burning fetish. Now I wonder how they determined all these women were witches. Really manly occupation witch burning is. King James didn't die young from what I understand so what are the implications of that. He wasn't really saved? What of that Bible that has his name on it?

"The rule of forbidding the priests to marry must be still important to the on going tradition of the church, at least more important than losing those mega-millions of dollars in the litigation against them."

A married priesthood is not the problem Ray. The priests who have committed these acts tend to be homosexual. That means they don't like women Ray. Get it. Or are you with the Episcopalians and Presbyterians in suggesting that gays should get married?

Gotta get time to get back to that OSAS stuff.

PS. How are protestant Churches going to deal with the problem of child molesting pastors. I haven't heard anything and it seems like there is quite an ongoing problem as every time I bring up this website there are more recent cases.

www.reformation.com

Don't Protestants have married clergy. By your logic then there shouldn't be a problem. But it appears there is.
Blessings

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Some Catholic responders "claim" that they can not "understand" the words of the Catholic sources being quoted in these articles. I ask the objective reader to "see" if they can "understand" the words.

And look for things like "Secret archives", look for "forbidden books" and look for "attempts to blaim the tortures of the inquisitions on local civil authorities" and how the Pope himself rejects such rubbish about civil authorities.

Here we go again - watch for "details".

Trying2Understand comments

There is just no "reaching" some people EVEN with quotes of their own church leaders.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Trying2Understand comments

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Tell me, Bob, do you not think that it is the responsibilty of the Church to call on those in civil authority who are members of the Church to defend the faith?
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Did you really "miss" the part where the article states that the zenith of the dark crimes committed by the church in the inquisition was in response to the rise of prostantism. They were trying to kill Catholics that were leaving the RCC and forming non-Catholic Christian organizations - and getting burned at the stake for doing so.

Even Dr. Carroll of EWTN admits that Billy Graham himself would be burned/tortured to death under those RC rules used in the dark ages.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Bob, Candice Hughes of the Associated Press and Alessandra Galloni of Reuters do not speak for the Church.

They are reports writing a story for the newspaper.

What they have written is their opinion.

You confuse their words with that of the Vatican.

For the record, what grade are you in? High school? Middle shcool?

 

Since our Catholic bretheren are "pretending" to be confused as they read statements from Pope John Paul quoted below AND from Cardinal Roger Etchegaray, head of the Vatican's main committee of scholars looking at the subject that "our Catholic bretheren here hope doesn't exist"...

I repost the Catholic council's statements on "real" extermination, real torture and real burning at the stake. I also repost and "add bold" for those Catholic sources being quoted and "ignored" so far by the RC posts on this.

The Cardinal's quote above has been completely ignored ALONG WITH the quotes of the Pope - and a kind of blind-devotee "I only hear if someone else quotes them" repsonse has held sway among our RC brethern.

Is that really the "Christian" response to atrocity, extermination, torture by burning, torture by inquisition etc?

You be the judge.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Since "some" of our modern day Catholic inquisition "defenders" have tried to argue this was a "good thing" - can they explain why this glorious "ministry" of the RCC in the dark ages is still kept in forbidden, "secret" archives?

What is the reluctance in "fully disclosing" to modern Christianity the "deeds of the dark ages"??

Is "that" secrecy, denial, obfuscation, misdirection and refusal to deal with the "details" the "Christian" response to "atrocity, torture, extermination" and dark crimes of the dark ages?

I guess it is "for some".

In Christ,

Bob

 

The Dark ages were a time of mystic and skeptaism . No one wanted to advance or learn. Most people didn't have a Bible. And those that had the Bible more than likely twisted it to mean what they needed to mean to assume the power they wished.

God Bless

 

As the quote shows - burning Bibles, placing the Bible on the "forbidden book" list was a practice of the Roman Catholic church during the dark ages.

I suppose there is a way to justify that for some Christians. But most Christians today would not approve of any church burning Bibles no matter how long and convoluted the rational for doing so.

Or are there any pro-Bible-burners still out there?

Any takers?

In Christ,

Bob

 

Question, Bob.

If the words of Scripture have been deliberately changed by someone in order to support their new theology, for the purpose of convincing another of that new theology, is it still the Bible?

A simple yes or no will do.

 

``The church is not afraid to submit its past to the judgment of history,'' said Etchegaray, a Frenchman who leads the Vatican's Commission on the Grand Jubilee.

Hard to believe that - given the RC response to their "history" so far.

While "still waiting" for that cogent, detailed, objective, and distinctly Christian response to this from our RC bretheren... I would like to highlight the following sequence that clearly indicates that the "victims" of the Inquisition were primarly Protestants as the inquisition was ratcheted up during the reformation to deal with Protestants.

One of the Inquisition's best known victims was the astronomer Galileo, condemned for claiming the earth revolved around the sun.

The Inquisition reached its height in the 16th century to counter the Reformation.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Surely someone is going to ask why there are "Secret files" on the inquistion if it really was the "noble ministry" that some RC members have been pretending it was on this thread.

In Christ,

Bob

 

What? Even CAtholics don't question the "secret files" on torture and extermination?

Hmmm.

What does that tell you?

Still waiting for that "cogent, obective, distinctively Christian response to the details".

In Christ,

Bob