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re: 3x church thread

Rufus_1611

New Member
dan e. said:
HA! That made me laugh so hard!!! So it isn't "worldly" if it is a church league?? HAHA!

I mean...okay, you're right.

Not saying that. What's the definition of worldly? Is not a soccer league a secular organization? Does it not pertain to the world and is in not in contradistinction to the life to come? I haven't been involved in AYSO for awhile, perhaps they break out in hymns, psalms and spiritual songs and the coach preaches a sermon?

WORLDLY, a.

1. Secular; temporal; pertaining to this world or life, in contradistinction to the life to come; as worldly pleasures; worldly affairs; worldly estate; worldly honor; worldly lusts. Titus 2.

2. Devoted to this life and its enjoyments; bent on gain; as a worldly man; a worldly mind.

3. Human; common; belonging to the world; as worldly actions; worldly maxims. (Source: Webster's 1828)​
 

dan e.

New Member
I'm not so sure God is a soccer fan. I've always been one to believe Him to be a tennis player, with the mention of God's "heavenly courts"!

We all know He loves baseball best.
 
Obeying the pastor when he preaches that we should be in Church when the Lord allows the doors to be opened is not worshiping the pastor, tim.

It is obeying the Word of God.

As I said, so many loophole christians who don't even know what following Christ really is.
 

tinytim

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Rufus_1611 said:
...Bottom-line...go to church and support your pastor.

Strange theology....
I go to church to worship God!
As do my members.

If your main reason of going to church is to support your pastor.. it is pastor worship.

Oh, I mean... "you're right"
 

Rufus_1611

New Member
tinytim said:
Strange theology....
I go to church to worship God!
As do my members.

If your main reason of going to church is to support your pastor.. it is pastor worship.

Oh, I mean... "you're right"
I am not advocating any sort of man worship as I expect you know but are wrongly asserting. I am advocating for adherence to the Holy Bible authored by an Holy God.

Go to church as in...

"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." - Hebrews 10:25​

Support your pastor as in...

"Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you." - Hebrews 13:17​
 

dan e.

New Member
okay, you're right.

Are we done with this thread yet? We've already established that you are right. You won. I lost. You're right. I'm wrong.

On to the next issue........so there is this guy, who didn't show up last Sunday....:laugh:
 

Rufus_1611

New Member
dan e. said:
okay, you're right.

Are we done with this thread yet? We've already established that you are right. You won. I lost. You're right. I'm wrong.

On to the next issue........so there is this guy, who didn't show up last Sunday....:laugh:

If you're on to the next issue, you might find it in the next thread.
 

tinytim

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Kindergarten graduation is in a couple weeks on a Wed. night.. should I start demanding now that their parents must miss this occasion in order to be in church?

After all, I am the pastor and they must obey me!!!
Hey, I could get used to this dictator stuff...

Nah.. I saw a church last week that is being torn apart because of this very issue.. they brow beat their members into coming to church... coming to a legalistic, dead church... But the members are leaving in droves.. even the faithful.. they are tired of hearing the legalism all the time.
 

Rufus_1611

New Member
tinytim said:
Kindergarten graduation is in a couple weeks on a Wed. night.. should I start demanding now that their parents must miss this occasion in order to be in church?

After all, I am the pastor and they must obey me!!!
Hey, I could get used to this dictator stuff...

Nah.. I saw a church last week that is being torn apart because of this very issue.. they brow beat their members into coming to church... coming to a legalistic, dead church... But the members are leaving in droves.. even the faithful.. they are tired of hearing the legalism all the time.
Kindergarten graduation!? A celebration of a child graduating from one grade of secular "education" to another, having greater relevance than obtaining a spiritual education, worshipping a Holy God and assembling with Saints...pish tosh...go to church. You can make no demands anyway, you can rebuke, reprove and exhort the same way the pastor in the OP did.

Regardless, you are the leader of your church. If you don't feel that church attendance is necessary of your flock then lead as you feel led and know that you must give account for whatever decisions you make as their leader.
 

tinytim

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Rufus_1611 said:
Kindergarten graduation!? A celebration of a child graduating from one grade of secular "education" to another, having greater relevance than obtaining a spiritual education, worshipping a Holy God and assembling with Saints...pish tosh...go to church. You can make no demands anyway, you can rebuke, reprove and exhort the same way the pastor in the OP did.

Regardless, you are the leader of your church. If you don't feel that church attendance is necessary of your flock then lead as you feel led and know that you must give account for whatever decisions you make as their leader.

I bolded why I like your responses over HBSMN... Thank you...
 

rbell

Active Member
Rufus_1611 said:
Kindergarten graduation!? A celebration of a child graduating from one grade of secular "education" to another, having greater relevance than obtaining a spiritual education, worshipping a Holy God and assembling with Saints...pish tosh...go to church.

You owe me royalties.
















:D
 

jshurley04

New Member
Rufus_1611 said:
Does the devil prefer that Christians assemble or that they stay home and say "no legalist is going to tell me to go to church"?


I don't care what the devil wants, I care about the heart condition of my people. If the heart is right then the Holy Spirit is going to have a much greater influence than if the heart is hardened against the spirit. If the above is the heart attitude, then yes, they should stay home because they are not going to worship anyway and they are going to be the avenue that Satan needs to turn our service just enough so that others do not listen to the Spirit's Call.
 

jshurley04

New Member
Skipping meals

His Blood Spoke My Name said:
Is one truly following Christ when one chooses to stay out of Church?

Is it truly Christ's will that one miss even one service where spiritual food is served?

The Word of God says

Psalms 92:12-14 The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree: he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon. Those that be planted in the house of the LORD shall flourish in the courts of our God. They shall still bring forth fruit in old age; they shall be fat and flourishing;

and

Psalms 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

If a tree is not getting the proper amount of water and nutrients from the sun and soil, it will eventually die.

The disciples knew that there was to be a zeal for the House of God. They remembered the words of the psalmist.

So what you are saying is that you have NEVER skipped breakfast, lunch or dinner in your life to accomplish some task, what ever it may have been? I will give you that church services where the Word is proclaimed is like a meal, but not every service has preaching, at least that is what most churches advertise. We usually call the Wed. night service a prayer service which means that there is going to be prayer and not preaching. So if someone skips because of job requirements then they are in need of repentance? What about police and firemen? or even our military?

You cannot turn a principle into a command just because some twisted sense of logic demands it. Is it spiritually healthy to skip church, NO! But you cannot make it into a command, Christ gave us only two - Love God and love others. This attitude is imposing rules just like the Judiazers did in the first Century.
 

jshurley04

New Member
gb93433 said:
So it is all worthless if the mechanic fixing your car does not have a perfect attitude the day he fixes your car but does an excellent job?

Show me one person God used who always had a perfect heart and his work was all worthless.

God uses imperfect humble people regularly.
Huh!?! That does not even make sense.

It is God that looks on the heart attitude and it is God that blesses or disciplines based on the heart. What did Jesus Say? If a man looks on a woman and in his heart desires to fornicate with her, he is guilty of that actual deed. That is one of the reasons Jesus came, was to show us that it was the heart of man that is the problem.

We can do good things, but with a bad attitude and in the eyes of God, it is a worthless action. God looks on the heart and God judges the heart and it is the heart that justifies or condemns the actions of what we do.
 
jshurley04 said:
So what you are saying is that you have NEVER skipped breakfast, lunch or dinner in your life to accomplish some task, what ever it may have been? I will give you that church services where the Word is proclaimed is like a meal, but not every service has preaching, at least that is what most churches advertise. We usually call the Wed. night service a prayer service which means that there is going to be prayer and not preaching. So if someone skips because of job requirements then they are in need of repentance? What about police and firemen? or even our military?

You cannot turn a principle into a command just because some twisted sense of logic demands it. Is it spiritually healthy to skip church, NO! But you cannot make it into a command, Christ gave us only two - Love God and love others. This attitude is imposing rules just like the Judiazers did in the first Century.

I see nowhere in the verse

"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another:: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."


to indicate that it is only a principle and not a command.

As a matter of fact, since the thought of the writer is continued in the next two verses with

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."


The writer put the forsaking of the assemby right there in the category of 'willfull sin.'

A Christian should be in the House of God whenever the Lord allows the doors to be opened. He or she should be there to worship the Lord in spirit and in truth. He or she should be there for fellowship and strength. He or she should be there to be fed the Word of God.

There are enought unbelieving police, firemen, and emergency workers in this world that a Christian should not even have an excuse for missing even one service where the Word of God is preached.

Matthew 4:18-20 18 And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers. 19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men. 20 And they straightway left their nets, and followed him.


Christ's Disciples, Peter and Andrew, left off their work to follow the Lord. How many today are truly willing to forsake all worldly activites and events in order to obey the Word of the Lord and 'Forsake not the assembling of ourselves together'?
 

rbell

Active Member
His Blood Spoke My Name said:
There are enought unbelieving police, firemen, and emergency workers in this world that a Christian should not even have an excuse for missing even one service where the Word of God is preached.

This is absurd.

(phone ringing)

John: "Hello?"

Frank: "Hello, John? Frank here. Listen...I'm not going to be able to work my shift at the fire station on Sunday. Can you cover for me?"

John: "Umm...what's the matter? You sick?"

Frank: "No...I can't work anymore on Sundays. Wednesdays either. And since you're going to hell anyway, I figured you could work those days. My pastor says I'm a loophole Christian and I'm sinning when I save people's lives on Sundays and Wednesdays."

John: "Is this a joke?"

Frank: "No joke. But if you'll get saved, you can not work those days either. So be sure and recruit at least one hell-bound heathen for the Department before you go and accept Jesus. Otherwise, we'll end up with some of them 'loophole Christians.'"

(click)

Frank: "Hello? Hello??"
 

jshurley04

New Member
Hell bound firemen and police

rbell said:
This is absurd.

(phone ringing)

John: "Hello?"

Frank: "Hello, John? Frank here. Listen...I'm not going to be able to work my shift at the fire station on Sunday. Can you cover for me?"

John: "Umm...what's the matter? You sick?"

Frank: "No...I can't work anymore on Sundays. Wednesdays either. And since you're going to hell anyway, I figured you could work those days. My pastor says I'm a loophole Christian and I'm sinning when I save people's lives on Sundays and Wednesdays."

John: "Is this a joke?"

Frank: "No joke. But if you'll get saved, you can not work those days either. So be sure and recruit at least one hell-bound heathen for the Department before you go and accept Jesus. Otherwise, we'll end up with some of them 'loophole Christians.'"

(click)

Frank: "Hello? Hello??"

Thanks rbell, I always appreciate the laugh. The sad part is that the legalistic mindset will not understand, only think that this is completely rational. I suppose that we are only a good testimony of Christ when we are in church everytime the doors are open. HEY!! That means that I can live like the devil when I am not in church since I only have to be a good christian by going to church. WOOOOHOOOO!!!
 
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