Reaching Born-Again Homosexuals!

[Iconoclast]

I have a question. My mother-in-law knows of a christian couple who were running a particular ministry. The husband started and grew this ministry from the ground up and was involved for many years. He seemed to really love the Lord. Well, one day he ran off with a much younger woman and is still with her ( it's been at least 4 years). Now my question is, is he saved? It seemed like he had a heart for God while he was in the ministry. Was he never saved to begin with or did he lose his salvation because some people on here claim that a born again christian can't live in sin?

Does 1 cor 6 teach that a person can be an adulterer for Jesus? Is that the question??

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you:
1 Cor 6:9-11 (KJV)

 

[IANMO(IAMNTMYOWN)]

Does 1 cor 6 teach that a person can be an adulterer for Jesus? Is that the question??

No. Of course not. I personally would question an individual's salvation if he were to commit such a sin with no shame. I don't believe in lordship salvation, however, I find it hard to understand how one can be covered in the redeeming blood Jesus Christ and be knowledgeable of his unmerited sacrifice, yet still remain in sin. In some cases, I'd say they were never saved to begin with, but that is not my place. There case is between them and God.

The statements that have been made about "gay Christians" though seem foundationless, and that is why I made the previous statement. Sin is sin in God's eyes. It is all black and not rated from greatest to least. We are all "sinning Christians."

 

[Iconoclast]

No. Of course not. I personally would question an individual's salvation if he were to commit such a sin with no shame. I don't believe in lordship salvation, however, I find it hard to understand how one can be covered in the redeeming blood Jesus Christ and be knowledgeable of his unmerited sacrifice, yet still remain in sin. In some cases, I'd say they were never saved to begin with, but that is not my place. There case is between them and God.

The statements that have been made about "gay Christians" though seem foundationless, and that is why I made the previous statement. Sin is sin in God's eyes. It is all black and not rated from greatest to least. We are all "sinning Christians."

What do you mean by this?

[QUOTE I don't believe in lordship salvation,][/QUOTE]

I mostly think we agree...but I am unclear on what you mean by this...as Jesus is Lord of all

 

[IANMO(IAMNTMYOWN)]

I mean in the sense that a Christian is only saved if it is evident in his life. It is a belief debated alot on this campus. According to this, there is no such thing as a backsliding Christian.

 

[shadow0421]

Gluttony is a sin, I've seen many a Baptist preacher who are quite proud of stuffing their face with good 'ole Baptist cooking. I guess all of these preachers aren't truly saved. By the way, Im not saying it's ok for a christian to continue in sin. I believe a christian can be saved and back slide into continuous sin, it's happened to me. Looking back I questioned if I was really saved but there were things that God put into my life that woke me up and I turned my life around and started serving Him. Only God knows our hearts.

 

[Monster]

Because of your confusion about those passages you are trying to justify sin. It was Paul who wrote 1 Cor 6
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you:
1 Cor 6:9-11 (KJV)

And either because of your poor reading or comprehension skills you become arrogant act self righteous and make wrong assumption after wrong assumption.

I won't do the work for you, go re-read and figure it out.

 

[Iconoclast]

I mean in the sense that a Christian is only saved if it is evident in his life. It is a belief debated alot on this campus. According to this, there is no such thing as a backsliding Christian.

Actually and biblically there is not. A backslider is always an apostate.

Christians can and do sin. They cannot however practice sin, that would be a denial of the Spirits work in sanctification.There is evident fruit in a real christian. We however are imperfect fruit inspectors. That belongs to God who sees the heart.

The current idea of "backsliding" is to cover the other false idea of making a decision or "accepting " Jesus. The person does so..in the flesh, but the life never changes. Then people say...we need to pray for brother so and so...he seems to be backsliding...for 19 yrs...he has not been to church, and every friday night I see him coming out of the topless club. This is all wrong.

 

[IANMO(IAMNTMYOWN)]

Actually and biblically there is not. A backslider is always an apostate.

Christians can and do sin. They cannot however practice sin, that would be a denial of the Spirits work in sanctification.There is evident fruit in a real christian. We however are imperfect fruit inspectors. That belongs to God who sees the heart.

The current idea of "backsliding" is to cover the other false idea of making a decision or "accepting " Jesus. The person does so..in the flesh, but the life never changes. Then people say...we need to pray for brother so and so...he seems to be backsliding...for 19 yrs...he has not been to church, and every friday night I see him coming out of the topless club. This is all wrong.

I definitely agree with you there.

 

[freeatlast]

But wasn't Paul addressing fellow Christians who were still doing these sinful acts? Wasn't he saying "You're followers of Christ now, you shouldn't be doing these things."?

I have a question. My mother-in-law knows of a christian couple who were running a particular ministry. The husband started and grew this ministry from the ground up and was involved for many years. He seemed to really love the Lord. Well, one day he ran off with a much younger woman and is still with her ( it's been at least 4 years). Now my question is, is he saved? It seemed like he had a heart for God while he was in the ministry. Was he never saved to begin with or did he lose his salvation because some people on here claim that a born again christian can't live in sin?

Trust the bible!
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you:
1 Cor 6:9-11 (KJV)

 

[freeatlast]

And either because of your poor reading or comprehension skills you become arrogant act self righteous and make wrong assumption after wrong assumption.

I won't do the work for you, go re-read and figure it out.

The difference is I believe the bible and you do not.
Originally Posted by freeatlast
Because of your confusion about those passages you are trying to justify sin. It was Paul who wrote 1 Cor 6
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you:
1 Cor 6:9-11 (KJV)

 

[freeatlast]

Gluttony is a sin, I've seen many a Baptist preacher who are quite proud of stuffing their face with good 'ole Baptist cooking. I guess all of these preachers aren't truly saved. By the way, Im not saying it's ok for a christian to continue in sin. I believe a christian can be saved and back slide into continuous sin, it's happened to me. Looking back I questioned if I was really saved but there were things that God put into my life that woke me up and I turned my life around and started serving Him. Only God knows our hearts.

You do not understand gluttony. Also you may believe a Christian can return to sin butr the bible says yoiu are wrong.
1John 3:9
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

1Cor 6
Trust the bible!
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you:
1 Cor 6:9-11 (KJV)

 

[Monster]

The difference is I believe the bible and you do not.
Originally Posted by freeatlast
Because of your confusion about those passages you are trying to justify sin. It was Paul who wrote 1 Cor 6
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you:
1 Cor 6:9-11 (KJV)

Then I suppose that from your judgement alone, I'm hell bound? Or is it that I only not believe some of the Bible? Or do I just not believe the way you believe I should? Or do I have enough belief to just squeak by, but only if I turn from my disbelief in time?

Or maybe, I drink the koolaid like so many and just hate on the lost because they sin? That's the easiest of choices. I can live separate that way, be salt, safe in the shaker and leave them to their horror of an eternity.

You still lack reading comprehension skills, but that's all good! To be analogous, my hounds get on a scent and lock in on it, whatever it is, to the exclusion of everything else. Keep harping on what you've chosen to believe is my confusion rather than what I wrote. Just like the hounds howling and chasing that whatever, you also bring a smile to my face.

 

[A Faithful Sidekick]

The difference is I believe the bible and you do not.

Okay, you win the argument by throwing ridiculous one-line snap judgements on people who legitimately disagree with you.

I'm done. It was good for a few days, but I guess I should have read more postings from this board before signing up. Congratulations, you're the first entry on my "Ignore" list. Don't bother with a reply. I'll never even see it.

-Robin

 

[Yeshua1]

An honest and sincere question for you. Can a true born again christian be a "XXX" star and a christian at the same time? How can one be saved, in Christ, and yet continually commit fornication/adultery? If one practices homosexuality while claiming to be saved, how can this be, seeing that such a lifestyle is an abomination before God? I asked this question because one can be just as much "saved" being a "XXX" star, as one who is openly gay.

can a person be saved by grace of God and still, at times, give in and get drunk? And confess that as sin to the Lord and seek His forgiveness? Does the lord see their heart and say" OK this time, but one more time, and you are out?"

there are SOME christians who God removes even the desire to do sin in a particular area sothat not even tempted again, yet many others have to face it every time and overcome by trusting/yieldin g to the Lord... Some times might even submit to the temptation even...

 

[Yeshua1]

Okay, you win the argument by throwing ridiculous one-line snap judgements on people who legitimately disagree with you.

I'm done. It was good for a few days, but I guess I should have read more postings from this board before signing up. Congratulations, you're the first entry on my "Ignore" list. Don't bother with a reply. I'll never even see it.

-Robin

you have to realise that the brother holds to a state of 'sinless perfection" is attainable in this life...

 

[Monster]

you have to realise that the brother holds to a state of 'sinless perfection" is attainable in this life...

That clears the air a bit. I know this wasn't specifically addressed to me but, thanks!

 

[Yeshua1]

I mean in the sense that a Christian is only saved if it is evident in his life. It is a belief debated alot on this campus. According to this, there is no such thing as a backsliding Christian.

when the Lord jesus saves us, we ALL have Him as now our lord and saviour, but there are times when we refused to live as if that is the truth!

That is basically what daily saunctification refers to, as we commit each time to having him directly controlling all aspects of our lives, to willingly submit to his lordship in our lives...

NOT to be either saved or kept saved, but in order to know and experience his best plamns in Chrsit for our lives! To place ourselves in best way to be used by him, and to be bleesed by him in this life with whatever he has for us!

its NOT the "jesus is Lord over all, or is Lord over none', but that ALL christians have Him as their Lord, he just wants us to formally acknowledge he is and live accordingly!

 

[Steadfast Fred]

You read that right. On several other blogs, the issue of homosexuality has been brought up, only to be attacked by those gay folks out there in La-la-land going to churches that tell them they are born-again.

So when the topic is mentioned, these "born-again homos" argue that this can't be so, because their pastor and church say they are born-again.

They also argue that homosexuality is just fine with God, because He never mentions it being bad [of course He never mentioned the word "homosexuality" because it didn't exist in the day] or something people can't do.

We have a huge problem with churches and preachers willing to "itch the ears" of those steeped in sin, because that is what they want to hear.

They fail to see that God didn't create Adam and Steve or Adele and Eve. He created Adam and Eve.

They overlook the sin of Sodom and Gomorah, and ignore the teachings of Paul in his letter to the church in Rome [when he writes that God turns them over to their lust of men for men and women for women].

The main problem facing the church today is the manifestation of demonic influenced theologies and churches teaching that these sins are normal; that God made people gay; that homosexuality is never mentioned, in the vernacular sense, in the Bible; and that many people of star fame are advocating that God approves of both straight and homosexual relationships.

To present the truth, according to the Word of God, makes you a gay hating, homophobe.

When you tell them that they are on the highway to hell [and that the path to heavenis narrow] they call you a homophobe.

In my book, I would like to leave them to their sin, but, my heart says no! So, what do you say and think when faced with such obvious lies from born-again homosexuals???

First and foremost, I would tell them there is no such thing as a "born again homosexual"

Leviticus 18:22 reveals that man lying with man is an abomination. Romans 1 pretty much avows the same.

The book of Revelation reveals that all workers of abomination will have their part in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone.

Doesn't get any clearer than that. Is the homosexual's pastor right? or is the Bible?

We're talking eternity here... either an eternity of life and peace or an eternity of torment. Can they really afford to take a chance?

2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

If a homosexual truly got saved, he would no longer be a homosexual... he would no longer practice, or advocate, that which God's Word identifies as an abomination. He would be a new creature with a new desire... a desire to please God, to live for God.

 

[ShagNappy]

you have to realise that the brother holds to a state of 'sinless perfection" is attainable in this life...

One must also realize that he is one of the longest running trolls in the history of the internet. How he is still active here when other well meaning, but deluded folks, have been banned for far less is amazing to me.

 

[Yeshua1]

First and foremost, I would tell them there is no such thing as a "born again homosexual"

Leviticus 18:22 reveals that man lying with man is an abomination. Romans 1 pretty much avows the same.

The book of Revelation reveals that all workers of abomination will have their part in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone.

Doesn't get any clearer than that. Is the homosexual's pastor right? or is the Bible?

We're talking eternity here... either an eternity of life and peace or an eternity of torment. Can they really afford to take a chance?

2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

If a homosexual truly got saved, he would no longer be a homosexual... he would no longer practice, or advocate, that which God's Word identifies as an abomination. He would be a new creature with a new desire... a desire to please God, to live for God.

Some are saved and delivered out from that lifestyle immediatly by Grace of God, but others still have to face and endure the struggles of the temptations of the flesh, but good news is that now thru Christ and His Spirit, can say "no"...