Reaching Born-Again Homosexuals!

[freeatlast]

Some are saved and delivered out from that lifestyle immediatly by Grace of God, but others still have to face and endure the struggles of the temptations of the flesh, but good news is that now thru Christ and His Spirit, can say "no"...

1John 3:9
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

 

[Yeshua1]

1John 3:9
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

does NOT state though that we will never be tempted again, nor that we might still sin in that area!

 

[freeatlast]

does NOT state though that we will never be tempted again, nor that we might still sin in that area!

true but it is no longer what they seek or practice as a way of life.

 

[Yeshua1]

true but it is no longer what they seek or practice as a way of life.

yes, as before salvation that was their nature to do it, after saved, would be against their new natures!

 

[Sapper Woody]

true but it is no longer what they seek or practice as a way of life.

I can agree with that statement there. However, I would submit that there is a period of learning and adjusting. Just as a child needs to learn what is right and wrong, a newborn Christian needs to be taught what is right and wrong. Like I mentioned before, the practicing homosexual might actually believe that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, based upon social acceptance and possibly even being told by false teachers that it is ok.

It might take some teaching by Godly christians for them to learn that what they are doing is not ok with God. Once they realize that it is in fact not ok with God, then the real test of their Salvation begins. Do they continue in their sin, showing no change whatsoever and thus showing that most likely they did not get saved; or do they stop what they are doing, showing that there has indeed been a change?

 

[Yeshua1]

I can agree with that statement there. However, I would submit that there is a period of learning and adjusting. Just as a child needs to learn what is right and wrong, a newborn Christian needs to be taught what is right and wrong. Like I mentioned before, the practicing homosexual might actually believe that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, based upon social acceptance and possibly even being told by false teachers that it is ok.

It might take some teaching by Godly christians for them to learn that what they are doing is not ok with God. Once they realize that it is in fact not ok with God, then the real test of their Salvation begins. Do they continue in their sin, showing no change whatsoever and thus showing that most likely they did not get saved; or do they stop what they are doing, showing that there has indeed been a change?

All of us were born again as babies, needed to relearn how to think/act, and all gave into temptations at times, even still do, as NO sinless perfection while in this life!

Important to rrealise who we now are in jesus, and learn to live and abide in him by the Spirit!

 

[freeatlast]

I can agree with that statement there. However, I would submit that there is a period of learning and adjusting. Just as a child needs to learn what is right and wrong, a newborn Christian needs to be taught what is right and wrong. Like I mentioned before, the practicing homosexual might actually believe that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, based upon social acceptance and possibly even being told by false teachers that it is ok.

It might take some teaching by Godly christians for them to learn that what they are doing is not ok with God. Once they realize that it is in fact not ok with God, then the real test of their Salvation begins. Do they continue in their sin, showing no change whatsoever and thus showing that most likely they did not get saved; or do they stop what they are doing, showing that there has indeed been a change?

I think we are talking about two different things. You are talking about not knowing something is wrong and I am along with the bible talking about not doing/practicing what we know to be wrong. All it takes for a true believer to know is read what is written.

 

[Yeshua1]

I think we are talking about two different things. You are talking about not knowing something is wrong and I am along with the bible talking about not doing/practicing what we know to be wrong. All it takes for a true believer to know is read what is written.

Are christians expected to have reach a state of sinless perfection once saved and read/know the bible?

 

[freeatlast]

Are christians expected to have reach a state of sinless perfection once saved and read/know the bible?

If you mean by sinless perfection to stop sinning, absolutely. Everything in the word of God is to stop sinning. Every conviction by the Spirit is to stop sinning. So yes we are expected to stop sinning. The problem some people hope God is joking and does not mean what He says.
John 8:11
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Romans 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid

 

[Yeshua1]

If you mean by sinless perfection to stop sinning, absolutely. Everything in the word of God is to stop sinning. Every conviction by the Spirit is to stop sinning. So yes we are expected to stop sinning. The problem some people hope God is joking and does not mean what He says.
John 8:11
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Romans 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid

Have you managed to attain that state yet?

 

[freeatlast]

Have you managed to attain that state yet?

I do for short periods of time of a few days but just because I break the string is not because I have to. It is because i choose to. All sin is a choice.