You sound confused.
1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
This verse has nothing to do with "The Tribulation," nothing to do with the rapture, and nothing to do with the second coming. It is totally irrelevant to the entire thread.
You only think I'm confused because you don't understand.
Those He foreknew (as adopted sons), He predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son (through suffering). Those He predestined, He CALLED (to suffer). Those He called, He justified. Those He justified, He also glorified (adopted)
I know. You don't see the connection. Ask and it shall be given. Seek and you will find.
First, you were talking about how 2Thess 1:7-9 mentions Christ coming in glory with His angels, and how it is impossible for the resurrection to be at the same time. I showed you how, and now you're finished with those passages? It's no wonder so many of these threads go down so many rabbit trails. You need to learn to focus.
But, since we're just haphazardly jumping around from one topic to another (desultory conversation, apparently).....
You seem to think that wrath and tribulation are the same thing. I don't know why.
Tribulation is from the evil one(s) toward the saints
Wrath is from God toward the evil one(s)
You got the wrath part, but you missed the tribulation. Daniel 7:
19 “Then I desired to know the exact meaning of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its claws of bronze, and which devoured, crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet,
20 and the meaning of the ten horns that were on its head and the other horn which came up, and before which three of them fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth uttering great boasts and which was larger in appearance than its associates.
21 I kept looking,
and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them
22 until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom.
23 “Thus he said: ‘The fourth beast will be a fourth kingdom on the earth, which will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth and tread it down and crush it.
24 As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings.
25
He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.
26 But the court will sit for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever.
27 Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him.’
Revelation 13:7
It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.
Also, the resurrection is at the END of the Tribulation, not the beginning. Revelation 20:
4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God,
and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed.
This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
There's no getting around the fact that the FIRST resurrection includes those who did not take the mark of the beast, nor worship him. You view has them in the second or third resurrection. Or 4th, who knows?
Wait, how many resurrections are you espousing nowadays, anyways? Last I knew, it was 4 or 5. Are you guys up to seven now, so it can match the number of dispensations?
I'm also not sure why you think it imperative that we go to heaven and take seven years to get our horses and come back.
there needs to be time for the marriage of the Lamb, and the wedding feast. That takes place in heaven during the Tribulation....there has to be time for the Judgment Seat of Christ, which takes place during the same time (1Cor.3:11-15).
I demand a scripture reference for a timeline and location that you prescribe. Otherwise, it is nothing but foolish conjecture.
But, you completely ignored what I wrote about the MEETING in the air.
I won't continue discussing any further points until you address APANTESIN, and what I wrote about it.
If you respond with any topic other than APANTESIN, I will be finished here. We'll get back to an orderly discussion, without you ducking any of my points, or I won't play your game
