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37818

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Solomon began the custom of Queen Mother or Gevirah. Even though Bathsheba became Queen under David, she remained as Queen by being Queen Mother after David’s death.

In fact her status was more revered as Queen Mother. As wife of King David, she was the one who bowed down to the King in 1 Kings 1:16. However, when her son Solomon became King, the custom was reversed. It was the King himself who bowed to her. 1 Kings 2:19.

Queen Mother, became a full royal institution, Jeremiah lists Queen Mother second after King Jeconiah, then the court officials, and then leaders of Judah and Jerusalem.

“This was after King Jeconiah, and the queen mother, the court officials, the leaders of Judah and Jerusalem, the artisans, and the smiths had departed from Jerusalem” Jeremiah 29

We know Queen Mother was an offical position, when Asa deposed his grandmother as Queen Mother.

“He even deposed his grandmother Maacah from her position as queen mother because she had made a repulsive Asherah pole. Asa cut the pole down and burned it in the Kidron Valley” 1 Kings 15:13

He would not have had to depose her unless it was an official position.

The Queen Mother also had a Throne and Crown.

“Say to the king and to the queen mother,“come down from your thrones,for your glorious crowns will fall from your heads” Jer 13:19.

Queen Mother was long established in its own right, because of the son being King, his mother was Queen.

In 2 Kings 10:13: “he met some relatives of Ahaziah king of Judah and asked, “Who are you?” They said, “We are relatives of Ahaziah, and we have come down to greet the families of the king and the queen mother”

2 Kings 11:1-3 Shows in some cases, the Queen Mothers ruled as regents in the name of their minor sons.

So Queen Mother was institutionalised officially in the Line of David.

Jesus is in the line of David through Mary as per Matthew.

People need to show Mary much more respect as Queen Mother, if you hold Jesus is King.
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Brother, please check your quote attributed to me. It is not correct.
 
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37818

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Cathode said:
I know what you think scripture means here, but it’s the wrong interpretation. This interpretation had a start date in the 1500s and a human founder.
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And the supposed evidence?

Re: Romans 6:4, Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
 
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Cathode

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And the supposed evidence?

Re: Romans 6:4, Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
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If I present evidence from scripture, you will simply attribute another interpretation to it.

If I present Tradition and history, you will say it’s not Scripture.

You are fixated on the narrow interpretation of scripture that Zwingli invented. That baptism is merely symbolic.

Protestantism founds it’s churches on each man’s narrow interpretation of scripture. Traditions of men, each with human founders.

Jesus didn’t found His Church on the Scriptures, His Church He founded on Peter, an authoritive Living Church guided in all truth.

This Church not only birthed the Bible, it also knows it perfectly and understands it like a mother. Better than anyone else.

Outside the care of Mother Church, Scripture is abused, mishandled and misunderstood, this is what Protestantism does, scripture has been torn at and made to mean anything in bible alone Protestantism.
Protestantism was never the Bibles Mother, but abusive fosterers, arguing over it constantly. The Catholic Church is the Bibles Mother.
 
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37818

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Cathode said:
If I present evidence from scripture, you will simply attribute another interpretation to it.

If I present Tradition and history, you will say it’s not Scripture.

You are fixated on the narrow interpretation of scripture that Zwingli invented. That baptism is merely symbolic.

Protestantism founds it’s churches on each man’s narrow interpretation of scripture. Traditions of men, each with human founders.

Jesus didn’t found His Church on the Scriptures, His Church He founded on Peter, an authoritive Living Church guided in all truth.

This Church not only birthed the Bible, it also knows it perfectly and understands it like a mother. Better than anyone else.

Outside the care of Mother Church, Scripture is abused, mishandled and misunderstood, this is what Protestantism does, scripture has been made mean anything in bible alone Protestantism.
Protestantism was never the Bibles Mother, but abusive fosterers, arguing over it constantly. The Catholic Church is the Bibles Mother.
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Romans 6:4, Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


The language of symbolism "by baptism" is there.
. . . Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: . . .
 
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37818 said:
Romans 6:4, Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


The language of symbolism "by baptism" is there.
. . . Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: . . .
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Symbolism is there, but it doesn’t necessarily follow that only symbolism is there.

Two things can be true. The Cross symbolising our sin doesn’t negate the fact that there was an actual physical timber Cross.

There are many symbolic things surrounding definite doctrinal realities as well.

“in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.” 1 Peter 3

Here Peter calls the waters of the flood symbolic of Baptism which now saves us. How is the flood waters symbolic of Baptism? We use water at Baptism and through baptism our sins are washed away like the corrupt old world in the flood.
It clears our conscience toward God, which means it has a powerful spiritual effect of removing sin.

“not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.”

It’s not a physical effect, but spiritual effect on our conscience which is of the soul.

So although symbolism surrounds it, Baptism has a concrete spiritual effect on our soul, which is regeneration, which is being born again.

Twice it states baptism saves you.

“It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,”

So from scripture we can not say baptism doesn’t save us, it does.

Based on scripture, we can not say baptism is merely symbolic either, because Peter states that it clears our conscience toward God which is its spiritual effect as opposed to mere washing off of dirt from the body.

This is a clear Scriptural case of water Baptism being regenerational, but if we also look at Church History, we see the entirety of Christianity had the same interpretation of these scriptures before Zwingli in the 1500s.

All the Church for the first 1500 years interpreted the scriptures to mean water Baptism as being born again regeneration.
 
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Get some counselling mate, seriously, no disrespect.
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Your speech is the speech of demon, speech of whom was born only FROM THE DEVIL, and was not born of GOD, and remains as son of Devil.
What matters is the counselling of the Word of GOD, warning the true Christians, true believers, saying: Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of GOD, do you understand demon?

Shut up demon. Our speech is the same of our Lord JESUS Christ, "He said the prince of this world(TODAY YOUR DEMONIC WORLD, FULL OF IDOLATRY OF THE SATANIC ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH) has nothing in me", AND has nothing in us true Christians, true believers.

Your demonic work here is to divert readers from the Truth of GOD announced by JESUS, and to take up everyone's time trying to divert them to your SATANIC TERRITORY, and distance them from what is most important for the good of GOD's chosen ones. Get out of here demon.
 
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