Again, claiming redemption occurred when Christ died, but redemption and reconciliation occur when God alone puts us into Christ. Galatians 3:13 does not say when Christ was made a curse, everyone was redeemed. That is unmitigated nonsense, for we have the ministry of reconciliation to this day....
-
Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Redemption
- Thread starter Van
- Start date
- Status
We are chosen through or by reason of faith for salvation, 2 Thessalonians 2:13. No matter how many times this truth is denied, the verse is there for all to read.
No "scriptural" argument has been made.
In Christ = Saved, Redeemed, Forgiven, Made Alive, Regenerated,
Not in Christ = Unsaved, not redeemed, not forgiven, not spiritually alive, unregenerate.
The gospel is straightforward once a person accepts it is God alone who saves.
But what did Christ accomplish on the cross? He became our propitiation or means of salvation. Those whose faith God credits as righteousness are placed into Christ where we are saved, redeemed, forgiven, made alive, regenerated, and so forth.
Not in Christ = Unsaved, not redeemed, not forgiven, not spiritually alive, unregenerate.
The gospel is straightforward once a person accepts it is God alone who saves.
But what did Christ accomplish on the cross? He became our propitiation or means of salvation. Those whose faith God credits as righteousness are placed into Christ where we are saved, redeemed, forgiven, made alive, regenerated, and so forth.
Waited for Van to give back to you "taint so"
Tsalagi
Member
He'll need to tell it to the apostle Paul.
Here is the entirety of post #34:
Here is more obfuscation. Did either reference to address the issue? Nope.
Are we chosen for salvation through faith? Yes, 2 Thessalonians 2:13.
Do those chosen benefit from that individual election? Yes,
Romans 4:23-24 (NASB)
Now not for his [Abraham's]sake only was it written that it [righteous faith] was credited to him,
but for our sake also, to whom it [righteous faith] will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,
Thus indeed, our faith when credited as righteousness by God, is the reason given for our election to salvation.
Last edited:
Mohitvermaji51
New Member
Redemption is the buying back of something. You might try for redemption by attempting to buy back a bike you sold, or you might attempt to buy back your soul after you steal someone else's bike.
Brightfame52
Well-Known Member
Folks that one act of Christ being made a curse for them He died for, redeemed them from the curse of the law which results in:
This must mean, that he has delivered them from the consequences of their sins and transgressions in the world against His Holy Law ; he has saved them from the punishment which their sins have deserved.
On and on, they post their read into view of verse after verse. Just read Galatians 3:13 folks, it does not say Christ redeemed anyone when He was made a curse. We are redeemed when God puts us into Christ and not before.
Tsalagi
Member
You said "Those whose faith God credits as righteousness are placed into Christ where we are saved, redeemed, forgiven, made alive, regenerated, and so forth." You cite Galatians 3:6 in support. That's demonstrably bogus, and you are clearly unable to defend it. Nowhere does Scripture claim that saving faith is "credited" as anything. Assigning credit to saving faith is an egregious error, and it's your error. You misconstrue Scripture because you violate context in the interest of your theological grid.
Last edited:
Tsalagi
Member
Paul says obtaining salvation by grace through faith provides no grounds for boasting. Faith is not a work, much less a good work, thus nothing to boast about. Since faith is not a good work, there is no reason why a fallen man cannot exercise it. Calvinists in particular seem to have enormous trouble dealing with this simple biblical truth. Saving faith is NOT a work, it is not meritorious, and it contributes nothing to God's work in salvation. The Bible never says anytime, anywhere that fallen man cannot exercise faith. Salvation is all of God, all of grace.
Brightfame52
Well-Known Member
Redemption further denotes:
everywhere in the N. T. metaphorically, viz. deliverance effected through the death of Christ from the retributive wrath of a holy God and the merited penalty of sin:
deliverance from the penalty of transgressions, effected through their expiation,
This redemption through the death of Christ for all whom He died, His Sheep or His Church have by His death alone been redeemed from the wrath of God, the penalty of their sins is gone which is death.
Folks anyone going to hell for their sins, even the second death, under the wrath of God, Christ could not have died for them. That would contradict redemption through His Blood !6
everywhere in the N. T. metaphorically, viz. deliverance effected through the death of Christ from the retributive wrath of a holy God and the merited penalty of sin:
deliverance from the penalty of transgressions, effected through their expiation,
This redemption through the death of Christ for all whom He died, His Sheep or His Church have by His death alone been redeemed from the wrath of God, the penalty of their sins is gone which is death.
Folks anyone going to hell for their sins, even the second death, under the wrath of God, Christ could not have died for them. That would contradict redemption through His Blood !6
Do you believe God has the power to limit His knowledge? Folks that do not answer questions, yet think they can continue to ask them are hypocrites, right?
Did Y1 state God can limit his knowledge while incarnate, but cannot otherwise?
In which post did I cite Galatians 3:6?
Galatians 3:6
Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.
I did cite Romans 4 which includes Romans 4:3. And post #46 makes the case we benefit when God credits our faith as righteousness, referring to our election for salvation.
Romans 4:23-24 (NASB)
Now not for his [Abraham's]sake only was it written that it [righteous faith] was credited to him,
but for our sake also, to whom it [righteous faith] will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,
And note folks the false charge that I violate "context." Calvinists charge their opponents with whatever malfeasance they are engaged in. I kid you not.
Last edited:
Hi, sorry I missed your post. The issue is the difference between paying the redemption price, and obtaining that for which the price was paid. For example, say you buy an "Oil Lease" on a huge area. But you have not extracted the oil. So while you paid the price to redeem all the oil, you can choose to only extract the oil you want to extract, i.e. believing oil.
- Status