This has nothing to do with the schism. I am not talking about the Eastern Orthodox Churches. These are Eastern Catholic Churches which are 100% Catholic and not Eastern Orthodox. Please read the link I provided.
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Reformed Churches Join Catholic-Lutheran Accord Regarding Justification
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This has nothing to do with the schism. I am not talking about the Eastern Orthodox Churches. These are Eastern Catholic Churches which are 100% Catholic and not Eastern Orthodox. Please read the link I provided.
There is no 'RCC', there is only The Catholic Church made of the churches who are in union with Rome. Many different rites, of which, only the Latin Rite has celibacy as a discipline.
Are you saying Eastern Orthodox are not Catholic? Sounds like you all have more identity crises than the so-called Protestants. Time for another church wide council. This is about universal church, one of the earliest heresies of the Great Apostasy. Roman style ecumenism is making a full circle. The daughters are going back to their mother.
True Baptists are not protestant reformers of Roman Catholicism.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
True Baptists are not protestant reformers of Roman Catholicism.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
I simply said YOU are confusing the Eastern Orthodox Churches with the Catholic Churches in union with Rome. And, your 'Whore of Babylon' babbling is nonsense. As far as your 'Baptist are not part of the Reformation' nonsense.
intellectually honest Baptists, such as James McGoldrick who was once himself a believer in Baptist successionism are conceding that this "trail of blood" view is, frankly, bogus. McGoldrick writes:
Extensive graduate study and independent investigation of church history has, however, convinced [the author] that the view he once held so dear has not been, and cannot be, verified. On the contrary, surviving primary documents render the successionist view untenable. . . . Although free church groups in ancient and medieval times sometimes promoted doctrines and practices agreeable to modern Baptists, when judged by standards now acknowledged as baptistic, not one of them merits recognition as a Baptist church. Baptists arose in the 17th century in Holland and England. They are Protestants, heirs of the reformers. (Baptist Successionism: A Crucial Question in Baptist History [1994], 1–2)
As Baptists churches continue to split and splinter, here is what the bible says about unity:
John 17:21English Standard Version (ESV)
BREAKING NEWS: The Orthodox Church of Puerto Rico enters into communion with the Catholic Church.
Have to have unity with those like minded, as the RCC teaches another false Gospel, as doe the eastern church!
I can say without a doubt that she cannot be prayed to as a venerated saint. Such prayers are useless mysticism and mythical as mediation before God.
All who have been saved are saints, and ONLY Jesus is our Mediator!
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Speaking of intellectual honesty: see Censura Librorum in The New Advent Encyclopedia.
Satan has tried unsucessfully to destroy the evidence. It is all over the internet for everyone to read. The little flock is still out there, waiting for the Groom to return. He said He would never leave them nor forsake them. He has kept His promise.
The bogus trail of blood? See the several histories of the Churches of Piedmont Valley. See also the "History of the Inquisitions" an RC book from the 19th century.
Even so come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
Easy history. Baptist were started by a Anglican priest.
John Smyth
The kicker is the guy who started the Baptists, First tried to baptize himself! Of course because he is the FIRST BAPTIST!
Later he regrets it, leaves the baptist faith and joins the Mennonites (look menno, you got your own religon
)Why do baptists baptize themselves? Because they have no pedigree, no connection at all with the one true church of Jesus Christ.
I bet he knew it thats why he left what he started, Because its WHAT HE STARTED vs. What Jesus Christ STARTED.
The FOUNDER of the Baptist Faith said to himself somewhere......This is a mistake.
When your own top dog, founder and creator left it as trash.......... common now.
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When the Israelites were taken into captivity in Babylon, the Temple was destroyed. During the next many years there were no sacrifices, no worship according to God's word at that time. When they returned, they rebuilt the Temple and re-started Temple worship according to the word of God..Easy history. Baptist were started by a Anglican priest.
John Smyth
The kicker is the guy who started the Baptists, First tried to baptize himself! Of course because he is the FIRST BAPTIST!
Later he regrets it, leaves the baptist faith and joins the Mennonites (look menno, you got your own religon
Why do baptists baptize themselves? Because they have no pedigree, no connection at all with the one true church of Jesus Christ.
I bet he knew it thats why he left what he started, Because its WHAT HE STARTED vs. What Jesus Christ STARTED.
The FOUNDER of the Baptist Faith said to himself somewhere......This is a mistake.
When your own top dog, founder and creator left it as trash.......... common now.
The Baptists did the same thing. When the Church of Rome obliterated almost every vestige of the Christian faith, and persecuted and murdered all those who attempted to preserve it (see the history of the Petrobusians for example). After the Reformation, people began to rebuild true Christianity according to the word of God. The Baptists are those who completed the Reformation by disposing of the last vestige of Romanism-- infant baptism, of which there is, of course, no record in the word of God.
'The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God stands forever' (Isaiah 40:8), and when the wicked destroy the foundations, the believers build them up again according to that word.
Anglicans are the descendants of Henry the eighth one who split from Rome after being 'excommuned" for getting divorcements without first getting paid annulments for at least 6 wives. Two of them were beheaded--Tommy Cromwell blessing the beheading of Jane Seymour. These folks are keeping the keys of heaven?
Henry made himself a pontifex of sorts with a different form of curia headquartered in Canterbury. He did not change much doctrine. Queen Elizabeth inherited what ever authority the VIII Henry had usurped from Rome. She also has the copyright on the KJV--in England anyway. There has been a lot of blood let over who got the keys.
John the Smyth, the Anglician baptizing himself--an interesting event in itself. What was wrong with his Anglican baptism?
Sorry, there were Ana-Baptists long before Henry 8 and John The Smythe. There are groups which practice Baptist distinctives traceable all the way back to the Book of Acts. They were never connected to Rome, Canterbury or Wittenburg. See Eph. 3:20,21. Now what?
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
Henry made himself a pontifex of sorts with a different form of curia headquartered in Canterbury. He did not change much doctrine. Queen Elizabeth inherited what ever authority the VIII Henry had usurped from Rome. She also has the copyright on the KJV--in England anyway. There has been a lot of blood let over who got the keys.
John the Smyth, the Anglician baptizing himself--an interesting event in itself. What was wrong with his Anglican baptism?
Sorry, there were Ana-Baptists long before Henry 8 and John The Smythe. There are groups which practice Baptist distinctives traceable all the way back to the Book of Acts. They were never connected to Rome, Canterbury or Wittenburg. See Eph. 3:20,21. Now what?
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
One point about Babylon the Great is that she was 'drunk with the blood of the saints.....' (Revelation 15:6).
The Papal Inquisition lasted for around 600 years (1203-1808), far, far longer than the horrors of Genghis Khan or Hitler.
Here is an account of an Inquisition Torture Chamber:
'....There were instruments for compressing the fingers until the bones should be squeezed to splinters. There were instruments for probing beneath the finger-nails till an exquisite pain, like a burning fire, would run along the nerves. There were instruments for tearing out the tongue, for scooping out the eyes, for grubbing up the ears. There were bunches of iron cords, with a spiked circle at the end of every whip, for tearing the flesh from the back till bone and sinew were laid bare. There were iron cases for the legs, which were tightened upon the limb placed in them until flesh and bone were reduced to a jelly. There were cradles set full of sharp spikes, in which the victims were rolled from side to side, the wretched occupant being pierced at each movement of the machine with innumerable sharp points. There were iron ladles with long handles, for holding molten lead or boiling pitch to be poured down the throat of the victim, and convert his body into a burning cauldron. There were frames with holes to admit the hands and feet, so contrived that the person put into them had his body bent into unnatural and painful positions and the agony grew greater and greater by moments and yet the man did not die.........' [from Wylie's 'History of Protestantism.' The details apparently come from Roman Catholic inventories]
Hebrews 11:36-38 comes to mind. I will keep an open mind as to whether the Papacy is the whore of Babylon, but it seems like a reasonable candidate to me.
The judgements of Revelation are concerned with final warnings to the generation of Jews who rejected their Messiah - AD 70.
Mat. 23:34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
Rev. 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”
Rev. 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”
That understanding does not justify the Catholic denial - there are lessons to be learned from prophecy - patterns, types & shadows.
The fact that the prophecy referred to Israel, & has been fulfilled long ago doesn't justify the Inquisition & its vicious persecution of Christians. You were intended to learn & take warnings from the prophetic Scriptures.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
Yeah, your side was so much nicer. You know, things like burning at the stake, disemboweling, drawing and quartering, the lopping off of heads and when you got tired of those entertainments a good old sword or knife to the midsection would do the trick.
"It's the Lord's work we do this day" they would shout as they went about their evil deeds.
Errm, Baptists (at least those of the Anglo/American and Slavic branches) have not violently persecuted their opponents. We have, however, suffered from persecution by the state churches of all types.
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Is this the Jesuits versus the Anglicans?
True Baptists have never forced their religion on anyone. Jesus said to forgive our enemies. Jesus' example from the cross: "Father forgive them , they know not what they do." Lk. 23:34.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
Leonard Verduin in The Reformers and Their Stepchildren used the word sacralist to denote the church\state relationship.
An important book by a Calvinist seeking the truth about a confused situation.
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