Reformed Speculation VS Jesus Christ

[1689Dave]

Charles Haddon Spurgeon December 28, 1856, Revelation 14:1-3, New Park Street Pulpit Volume 3

“I do abhor from my heart that continual whining of some men about their own little church as the "remnant"—the "few that are to be saved." They are always dwelling upon strait gates and narrow ways, and upon what they conceive to be a truth, that but few shall enter heaven. Why, my friends, I believe there will be more in heaven than in hell. If you ask me why I think so, I answer, because Christ, in everything, is to "have the pre-eminence," and I cannot conceive how he could have the pre-eminence if there are to be more in the dominions of Satan than in paradise. Moreover, it is said there is to be a multitude that no man can number in heaven; I have never read that there is to be a multitude that no man can number in hell. But I rejoice to know that the souls of all infants, as soon as they die, speed their way to paradise. Think what a multitude there is of them! And then there are the just, and the redeemed of all nations and kindreds up till now; and there are better times coming, when the religion of Christ shall be universal”

Spurgeon's remarks on infants who die are very interesting, and do agree with what the Bible teaches on this, "But I rejoice to know that the souls of all infants, as soon as they die, speed their way to paradise". ALL infants, not just the "elect infants" that some twist the Bible to teach!

Benjamin Breckinridge Warfield, Are There Few That Be Saved?

“It does not fall within the scope of this discussion to adduce the positive evidence that the number of the saved shall in the end be not small but large, and not merely absolutely but comparatively large; that, to speak plainly, it shall embrace the immensely greater part of the human race”

Loraine Boettner, Studies in Theology, Page 316

“But apparently wiser designs and higher purposes are not to be served by allowing some to continue in their self-chosen ways of sin and thus exhibit eternally before men and angels what an awful thing is opposition and rebellion against God. We believe, however, the merciful and benevolent nature of God implies, and that the Scripture clearly teaches, that in the final analysis the great majority of the human race will be found among the saved”

Jesus Christ, THE Final Authority on ALL Matters

Matthew 7:13-14

“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few”

Luke 13:23-24

“Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?” And He said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able”

Here we have human theology, and the Infallible Word of Almighty God, and the Word of The Lord Jesus Christ Himself. As we can see from the “Reformed” perspective, they speculate, with NO Biblical evidence, that at the end time, the “great majority of the human race”, will be saved, with means that the “greater minority”, will be lost in heaven! As is very clear from what Jesus Himself says, it is the complete opposite to these theologians say, that the “majority” of the human race will be lost and sadly end up in hell.

In Luke’s Gospel Jesus says, “many…will not be able to”, enter through the “Narrow Gate”, that leads to eternal life. The Greek here is “οτι πολλοι”, in the plural number, and with the article, which denotes “the greater number”, and never used for “the fewer”. See the question asked of Jesus, “Lord, are there few (ὀλίγος, small in number) who are saved?”. To which Jesus very clearly replies. The comparison is clear here, “few…majority”. The same is in Matthew’s Gospel, where we see that the “greater number” will not be among the saved.

Again, the Reformed misrepresent what the Bible actually does Teach, as they do also on other Doctrines, like “election” and the “extent of Jesus’ Death”!

So abortion clinics send more people (babies) to heaven than the gospel? Babies, who if they grow up, will likely go to hell?

 

[Yeshua1]

So... people aren't dead in their trespasses and sins...
Humans must... before God can...

We have to "co assist" God to save us I guess is their view!

 

[Yeshua1]

Christ did not have the pre-eminence in looks. He had no beauty that we should desire Him. He had no pre-eminence in His earthly estate: born into poverty, in the least of the cities in Judea. The foxes had holes, but he had no where to lay His head.

To say that having the pre-eminence in all things means being greater in everything as men count greatness is a grave error. The only way the number of the Redeemed could be greater than the number of the damned is if the number of the faithful was the majority population for most of history. That's just not going to happen. Christ's coming will be as it was in the days of Noah, where a vast multitude was swept off the face of the earth and only eight souls were saved.

Spurgeon's error here is fueled somewhat by his Premillennialism, where He thinks Christ will reign on this earth with His glorified body while the human population is still multiplying. And the thought is that most of them will be redeemed.

Kind of a ridiculous notion if you ask me.

Actually, we premils see that Satan will be able to get most of those under the reign of the Lord Jesus to follow him still at end of days!

 

[Yeshua1]

So abortion clinics send more people (babies) to heaven than the gospel? Babies, who if they grow up, will likely go to hell?

There were never to grow up!

 

[1689Dave]

There were never to grow up!

So we are not damned on Adam's account? And killing babies is good since they are "sinless", even though the wages of their sin is death? And abortion clinics send more to heaven than the gospel?

 

[AustinC]

So we are not damned on Adam's account? And killing babies is good since they are "sinless", even though the wages of their sin is death? And abortion clinics send more to heaven than the gospel?

This is unfair.
We are all corrupt, under the curse of sin.
We all must be saved by grace.
We can only look at David's response to the death of his infant son and realize that he, by faith, believes he will see his son again.
Thus we can hope that God has graciously elected to redeem the unborn, the infants and those born with no capacity to express faith in Christ Jesus.
God has not left us without hope.

 

[1689Dave]

This is unfair.
We are all corrupt, under the curse of sin.
We all must be saved by grace.
We can only look at David's response to the death of his infant son and realize that he, by faith, believes he will see his son again.
Thus we can hope that God has graciously elected to redeem the unborn, the infants and those born with no capacity to express faith in Christ Jesus.
God has not left us without hope.

God is unfair? The wages of sin are death. Adam's sin imputed to his corrupt race? That's why babies who never consciously sin die. But since hell is commensurate with the amount and degree of sin one commits, they no doubt have less to answer for. So what about abortion if aborted babies go to heaven?

 

[Aaron]

Actually, we premils see that Satan will be able to get most of those under the reign of the Lord Jesus to follow him still at end of days!

That's because you haven't done the math. Think about 40 generations or so living as Catholics--as far as family is concerned. That's an innumerable multitude living as Christians for a 1000 years undeceived, molested or tempted by the devil. Satan only gets those living at the end of the 1000 years.

 

[1689Dave]

That's because you haven't done the math. Think about 40 generations or so living as--at least as far as family is concerned--Catholics. That's an innumerable multitude living as Christians for a 1000 years undeceived, molested or tempted by the devil. Satan only gets those living at the end of the 1000 years.

God destroys Antichrist when he returns ushering in the new heavens and earth, so the Antichrist is here (the Papacy) until the end.

 

[Aaron]

God destroys Antichrist when he returns ushering in the new heavens and earth, so the Antichrist is here (the Papacy) until the end.

Yes, there's lots of versions of the Premillennial fallacy.

 

[Aaron]

Spurgeon's remarks on infants who die are very interesting, and do agree with what the Bible teaches on this, "But I rejoice to know that the souls of all infants, as soon as they die, speed their way to paradise". ALL infants, not just the "elect infants" that some twist the Bible to teach!

He's in error here, too, and it doesn't agree with the Bible. It just agrees with you.

If an infant is saved, it is by grace through faith. Otherwise it's another gospel, and is anathema.

 

[Yeshua1]

So we are not damned on Adam's account? And killing babies is good since they are "sinless", even though the wages of their sin is death? And abortion clinics send more to heaven than the gospel?

Just saying that those aborted babies will be graced by the Father to be with Him now!

 

[Yeshua1]

God is unfair? The wages of sin are death. Adam's sin imputed to his corrupt race? That's why babies who never consciously sin die. But since hell is commensurate with the amount and degree of sin one commits, they no doubt have less to answer for. So what about abortion if aborted babies go to heaven?

ALL deserve Hell, but God also has provided the means by which he can still be Holy and yet also forgive and pardon infants such as those!

 

[Aaron]

Just saying that those aborted babies will be graced by the Father to be with Him now!

Yeah, we get what you're saying. Do you confess that that grace must come through faith?

 

[Yeshua1]

God destroys Antichrist when he returns ushering in the new heavens and earth, so the Antichrist is here (the Papacy) until the end.

The Antichrist will not be a Pope!

 

[Yeshua1]

Yeah, we get what you're saying. Do you confess that that grace must come through faith?

Not in their case!

 

[1689Dave]

Just saying that those aborted babies will be graced by the Father to be with Him now!

Where's your scripture proof? This illustrates how it works.

“Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;” Exodus 20:5 (KJV 1900)

 

[1689Dave]

The Antichrist will not be a Pope!

The first written history suggests Arnulf, the archbishop of Reims in the 10th century identified the Papacy as the Antichrist. Later Joachim of Fiore in the 12th century preached the Papacy was the Antichrist. And the archbishop Eberhard II in 1240 also related the papacy to the Antichrist. This led to the martyrdom of many Albigenses, Anabaptists, and others who in part embraced his views. Synopsis of the End Times; A look at the popular beliefs of today by Mike Morrill.

 

[Yeshua1]

Where's your scripture proof? This illustrates how it works.

“Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;” Exodus 20:5 (KJV 1900)

Key there is the ones who hate God, do infants hate God?

 

[Aaron]

Not in their case!

Then it's another gospel!