he was compared to being like a Caesar!
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Reformed Speculation VS Jesus Christ
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1689Dave
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In which all are sinners. I'm going to take a break. I might get back to you. We've shut too many threads down wasting time like this.
Christ's crowning achievement of the age. A temporal kingdom usurped by the Devil.
Who wouldn't want that?
The Father will be giving it to the Lord Jesus as his "reward"
Reward for what?
You are unfair in how you responded to Yeshua. You knew this is what I was talking about, but now you have added even more misleading comments.
1689Dave, please stop being deceptive.
I have addressed this issue in another thread. The Bible never tells us God's choice regarding whom he graciously saves. We only have comments such as David's comment.
2 Samuel 12:22-23
He said, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept, for I said, ‘Who knows whether the Lord will be gracious to me, that the child may live?’ But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.”
Question: Is David in hell?
Finally, what you write is speculation regarding those children whom you assign to hell.
I prefer to trust God's grace in saving whom he wills and in David's faith regarding his own son.
Will you please stop being deceptive?
Grace does not come through faith.
Faith comes through grace.
We are saved by grace...through faith.
For completing the "task" of finishing salvation!
I would see God saving aborted babies as Him stepping in and turning around for His glory what Satan tried to do for his own ends!
That's just speculation.
I will simply trust what God has provided in scripture and by faith believe it applies to all unborn, infants who die and those who are incapable of expressing faith.
If my faith is misplaced, God will make it clear in heaven and I will rest in his goodness.
"Well done, Son. Here, you can be king for a day over a world I'm going to burn up."
"Thanks, Dad!"
Faith is bestowed, yes. It cometh by hearing. The question is, can infants hear?
Faith is an effect of saving grace.
The question is: Can God save an infant by grace and grace alone?
We're told what salvation is and how it is obtained. A curse is pronounced on anyone who says it is bestowed by any other means.
So that's not the question.
In anticipation of your next rebuttal I will say, Yes. An infant can hear, because the hearing is not carnal, but spiritual. It is the hearing of faith.
It's not astounding that God can impart the hearing of faith to an infant. It's more astounding that God imparts the hearing of faith to me or you.
We are told:
...even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Read it well because"a curse is bestowed to anyone who says it is bestowed by any other means."
It seems you didn't anticipate that God's word rebukes you.
You're the one saying grace through faith except in the case of a certain class of people. Not me.
1689Dave
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Please quote the comments you are parading about as unfair.
You ignore Paul's writing. The first verse emphasizes "saved by grace" and nothing else. The second says saved by grace (this is how God saves) through faith "which is not of yourself" but is the gift of God so that no one can boast.
Therefore, in both verses we see that God does the saving, apart from any need for humans to cooperate.
Aaron, the text is very clear. Please stop attempting to find a loophole of law so that human cooperation is needed before God can save. What you are doing is the same thing Paul warns the Galatian believers against. You are adding law as a requirement for salvation and thus spitting in God's face regarding salvation by grace alone.
??? I already have. Go back and read your own quotes where I rebuke you. Please stop being lazy and deceptive.
God saves by his choice alone, by grace alone. Scripture gives evidence of his gracious saving of David's infant child. Unless of course you think David is in hell. Is David in hell today...with his son?
1689Dave
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You are reading into scripture and forcing your views into it. David going to where his dead son is probably was the grave. Where his body still resides until the resurrection. Unless scripture explicitly makes a claim, we sin by adding to God's word. Do you have direct quotes from scripture to justify your interpretation?
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