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InTheLight

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And just think how hard you tried to prevent it. :Sneaky

You're not helping. I don't know why I need to explain this to you every week. I couldn't vote for Trump, the person. I did agree with many, no, most, of his policy positions. I'm in Minnesota. It was going blue no matter who I voted for. Once again, I did not vote for President but voted Republicans in every other local and state election. In your book, that makes me a liberal, leftist, Obama supporter. I know, I know.
 

Calminian

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You're not helping. I don't know why I need to explain this to you every week. I couldn't vote for Trump, the person. I did agree with many, no, most, of his policy positions. I'm in Minnesota. It was going blue no matter who I voted for. Once again, I did not vote for President but voted Republicans in every other local and state election. In your book, that makes me a liberal, leftist, Obama supporter. I know, I know.

I could compare you to others who didn't vote for Trump, yet commended many of these things he was doing early on, noticing he was a man of his word. But that was not you. You have been criticizing him for months after the election. Now that it's inevitable good things are happening you're changing your tune. I'm just pointing out the obvious irony. Did you really believe just a couple months ago you'd be singing this new tune? Don't get me wrong I'm enjoying it.

BTW, I like Trump the person. Changed from pro-murder to pro-life and has embraced a Judeo-Christian agenda. And he seems to be surrounding himself with good Christian thinkers, and changing many person things about himself. I love seeing lives change and improve.
 

InTheLight

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I could compare you to others who didn't vote for Trump, yet commended many of these things he was doing early on, noticing he was a man of his word. But that was not you. You have been criticizing him for months after the election. Now that it's inevitable good things are happening you're changing your tune. I'm just pointing out the obvious irony. Did you really believe just a couple months ago you'd be singing this new tune? Don't get me wrong I'm enjoying it.

Go back and look at my criticism of him. They all revolve around his personality, his tweets, the way he conducts himself as POTUS, the way he negotiates, the way he treats other people, the amount of time he spends golfing, the way he insults people on Twitter, his inability to push his own agenda, his propensity to blame others, etc. I doubt you can find anything that criticizes his policies.

BTW, how's the release of his tax returns coming? He said he would release them after the audit was completed. How's his lawsuits against the eleven women that accused him of sexual assault coming along? He said he would sue all of them.
 

Rob_BW

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Yes, I had increased my holdings in tech stocks and tech mutual funds in 1998-1999 and a year or so later...BUST!

It takes a 50% gain in the markets to wipe out a 33% loss. The climb out of that tech bubble hole was long and slow, and then....BUST! Crash of Sep-Oct 2008.

Still, fully recovered from all of that and enjoying the current Trump era run up. Strap in, cause the next couple of years is going to be great!
Fully recovered? Did you get in early in bitcoin?
:Biggrin
 

Calminian

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Go back and look at my criticism of him. They all revolve around his personality, his tweets, the way he conducts himself as POTUS, the way he negotiates, the way he treats other people, the amount of time he spends golfing, the way he insults people on Twitter, his inability to push his own agenda, his propensity to blame others, etc. I doubt you can find anything that criticizes his policies.

BTW, how's the release of his tax returns coming? He said he would release them after the audit was completed. How's his lawsuits against the eleven women that accused him of sexual assault coming along? He said he would sue all of them.

LOL! Yes, I remember you pining about silly tax returns, and all the other liberal talking points. I also remember the doom and gloom about how nothing would get passed. Now you must be presently surprised?

BTW, I love Trump's tweets. Liberals hate them because they want their media to be the only medium. Tweets cut out the middleman.

And what sexual assault claims are you talking bout? Please share. This should be really interesting.
 

InTheLight

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LOL! Yes, I remember you pining about silly tax returns, and all the other liberal talking points. I also remember the doom and gloom about how nothing would get passed. Now you must be presently surprised?

Surprised that it took so long, it's almost the new year.

BTW, I love Trump's tweets. Liberals hate them because they want their media to be the only medium. Tweets cut out the middleman.

Tweets are lazy. Tweets are not leadership. He tweeted a video from a far right fascist website last week. Is that Presidential?

And what sexual assault claims are you talking bout? Please share. This should be really interesting.

Puh-leeze. I'm putting you on manual ignore. You have no reading comprehension, no memory. You're just a Trump sycophant.

Let me save you a click:
sycophant - Google Search
 
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Calminian

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Surprised that it took so long, it's almost the new year.



Tweets are lazy. Tweets are not leadership. He tweeted a video from a far right fascist website last week. Is that Presidential?



Puh-leeze. I'm putting you on manual ignore. You have no reading comprehension, no memory. You're just a Trump sycophant.

Let me save you a click:
sycophant - Google Search

Name calling aside, can you show me some of your old posts where you only disagreed with Trump personally, and agreed with all his policies? Predicting silence.
 

Use of Time

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Name calling aside, can you show me some of your old posts where you only disagreed with Trump personally, and agreed with all his policies? Predicting silence.

He doesn’t have to. If you want to challenge what someone says and then accuse of them doing the opposite then go find it yourself.
 

Calminian

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I don’t know why you are being so obnoxious when he is agreeing with Trump on this. Sycophants can’t even handle praise well.

How is me simply asking for proof that he was pro-Trump all along make me obnoxious? To me you calling me names is much more obnoxious.

And BTW, I did search and look for evidence he's been pro-Trump all alone, at least pro-Trump policy all along. I couldn't find any evidence before the election, or soon after. What is wrong with me asking for evidence of a claim? Sheeesh!
 

FollowTheWay

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Reagan policies pulled us out of a Great Recession. Remember the long gas lines of the Carter admin? Reagan had a much harder economy to work through than Clinton. Clinton benefited from the Reagan years. Then he ran us into another recession which Bush inherited.
Just look at the numbers. Reagan ran huge deficits. The national debt tripled during his years from $1T to $3T. Clinton reversed policy and decreased the deficits run by Reagan and Bush steadily until he ran a surplus his last 3 years.
 

FollowTheWay

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He put up. Maybe YOU should shut up ?
The really significant comparison is between Reagan and Clinton who started out higher than Reagan or GHW Bush and then went up significantly over his administration ending with receipts about double those during many years of Reagan's term. This was despite (or actually because of) raising the top rate to 39.6%.
 

FollowTheWay

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Is this not your post?
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Income was the question. I don't see anything in there about debt.
The really significant comparison is between Reagan and Clinton who started out higher than Reagan or GHW Bush and then went up significantly over his administration ending with receipts about double those during many years of Reagan's term. This was despite (or actually because of) raising the top rate to 39.6%.
 

Calminian

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Just look at the numbers. Reagan ran huge deficits. The national debt tripled during his years from $1T to $3T. Clinton reversed policy and decreased the deficits run by Reagan and Bush steadily until he ran a surplus his last 3 years.

the numbers show revenue increased when taxes went down. in fact all tax cuts have resulted in higher revenue. deficits have to do with spending and congress, and the dems held congress at that time. Reagan had no choice if he wanted to increase military spending. But it was nothing like the Obama era.
 

InTheLight

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Just look at the numbers. Reagan ran huge deficits. The national debt tripled during his years from $1T to $3T. Clinton reversed policy and decreased the deficits run by Reagan and Bush steadily until he ran a surplus his last 3 years.

Where do you get this stuff? Clinton did create two new upper tax brackets, increased the federal gas tax, removed the cap to Medicare taxation, and a couple of other things. But that was it for Clinton "reversing Reagan's policies". In fact, the Republican majority in the House passed a $500 child tax credit in 1995, giving middle class Americans a tax cut.

But to say that Clinton's tax increase on a small minority of Americans was the reason the deficit was reduced is ludicrous. The invention of whole new industries, home desktop computers for one, cell phones for another, and the dot.com economy in general, was the driver of Clinton's economy and the reason for increased receipts.

The reason debt increased under Reagan is because the military needed to be rebuilt and modernized and Democrats in Congress kept blocking spending cuts.
 

InTheLight

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He doesn’t have to. If you want to challenge what someone says and then accuse of them doing the opposite then go find it yourself.

Thanks for the support. I'm not going to post it again. I've already done so at least three times.
 
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