You can't deal with the Biblical evidence so you attack the person presenting the evidence! Another cultic MO!
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You can't deal with the Biblical evidence so you attack the person presenting the evidence! Another cultic MO!
Your argument is stupid! First, I never claimed to be equal to any apostle - that is your straw man imagination at work. Second, Do you think God saved Paul one way and others another way when Paul Himself placed an accurse on anyone preaching any other gospel than he preached and under which he was saved - Just look at the context (Gal. 1:6-14) before you make such an ignorant comment!
Again, look at the context of Galatians 1:6-15! Paul has placed a curse on ANYONE preaching another gospel or salvation different than the one THEY RECEIVED FROM HIM and you think he is going to turn around and claim he was saved under a DIFFERENT gospel or DIFFERENT salvation than them???? Thus place himself under the curse he makes???????????????
Get yourself a good commentary and study that verse. He is simply saying that his salvation and apostleship did not occur during the time when the rest were saved and made apostles but his occurred AT A DIFFERENT TIME distinct and separate from the other apostles - that is the abnomality. Not that his salvation was by another gospel or another kind of salvation. Look at the context again! Look at verses 3-4 and ask yourself what "scriptures" can Paul possibly have in reference since the New Testament Scriptures had not even been written at this time!!!! The same gospel preached before the coming of Christ is the same gospel preached after the coming of Christ as the New Testament gospel is "according to the Scriptures" - the Old Testament Scriptures:
1 Cor. 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Heb. 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Luk. 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Lk. 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Acts 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
savedbymercy
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No I wont deal with your mess. I just remain consistent with the Truth !
Of course, you think that.
Paul was explaining that he was an Apostle, chosen by God. The plan for salvation was the most important thing ever, and you compare yourself with what Paul says for himself about being one of the those who laid the foundation.
You are so unspiritual. You have no understanding of what is Spiritual. Paul STILL had to BELIEVE AND OBEY! Paul proves your demon taught total depravity is false. Why do you think Jesus did not just cause Paul to believe supernaturally, by SAVING HIM, GIVING HIM THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND REGENERATING him all at once, as you claim Jesus saves all? The other Apostles believed in Jesus, but Paul did not. Jesus appeared to Paul and spoke to him after his crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension, and that is why Paul finally believed.
You wouldn't know the truth if it starred you in the face!
savedbymercy
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I know you do not speak Truth !
Like SBM you cannot deal with the evidence so you either practice RJP or make personal attacks upon the one presenting the evidence. For one who claims to love the scriptures you treat them dispicably, ignore them, pervert them and refuse to deal with them.
Your text jerked out of context does not mean what you forced upon it to mean. It only means that Paul was not called to apostleship when the others were during the earthly ministry of Christ and thus ABNORMAL to the other 12. It does not mean he was saved any differently by any other gospel, by any other salvation. That is pure imagination on your part with not one single scriptural text to stand on.
The amusing thing is that you make that false presumptive statement in regard to Galatians 1:15-16 when the very preceding context places a curse upon anyone from heaven or earth that preaches another gospel or any other gospel than what Paul preached and RECEIVED from Christ.
Jesus died for sinners, and those who place faith in him at that very moment are changed from sinner to saint, born anew, wit new natures and Holy Spirit indwelling them!
is that the truth you preach, as THAT is in the Bible!
savedbymercy
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All the elect were enemies to God, while they were Justified or reconciled to God by the death of Christ Rom 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
This text simply means WHEN AT THE POINT OF FAITH we were enemies or as Paul calls them in Romans 4:5 "the ungodly" we were reconciled by faith, then how much more now being reconciled by faith in Christ shall we be saved by His life.
savedbymercy
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The text states that even while the elect were being enemies/ungodly by nature, they had been reconciled to God by the Death of His Son, not by their faith.
Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Since you like to boast about the greek, tell us what tense is the words" were enemies" and what tense is "were reconciled" are in !
Why did ALL of the Apostles teach and preach that one MUST believe in jesus, have faqith in him, in order to be reconciled back to God, and alive again in Christ!
You just did here what you falsely accuse me of doing.
You do not like how Paul came to know and believe in Jesus do you? Lol I think you knot up inside over it. Go ahead and explain why Jesus did not save Paul the way YOU teach---that our being saved is what causes us to believe. Jesus appeared to Paul and Paul did not know who he was. Paul did not receive the Holy Spirit then to make him believe---as you falsely teach. Paul did not receive the Holy Spirit until three days later!
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I know you do not agree but strictly from a scripture point of view comment on my last post
Thanks
savedbymercy
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Did not anyone teach that foolishness you talking, you teach salvation by works and deny the Saving Death of Christ !
savedbymercy
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I see the bib ran from post 53 !
First, to simply point out the correct grammar is not a boast but a fact.
Second, the words "were enemies" representes the present tense not a past tense - look at your Greek New Testament.
Third, "were reconciled" and "being reconciled" are both Aorist tense.
Finally, the grammatical truth is that at the point of reconciliation we were presently enemies, which refers to our LIFE on earth at the point of reconciliation rather than at the cross or in eternity past. So you are wrong again!
This is like saying we were lost when we were saved! Dah!!! Who else can be saved but the lost?
This is like saying we were ungodly when were imputed righteousness! Dah! Who else needs imputed righteousness but the "ungodly"??
This is like saying we were "enemies" WHEN we were reconciled! Dah! Who esle can be reconciled but enemies???
He is not talking about what happened before the world began but when were were PRESENT TENSE enemies, alive and at enmity toward God during our life time when we were reconciled by faith in the gospel.
He is not talking about what happened on the cross before we were born but when were PRESENT TENSE enemies, alive and at enmity toward God at the point in our life when were reconciled by faith in the gospel.
savedbymercy
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the bib
Correct, so Paul was saying, even while being enemies !
Correct, which normally means past tense !
The Truth is, that while the elect were in a state of being enemies, which means this Col 1:21
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Even as that, enemies in their minds by wicked works, They had been reconciled to God by the Death of His Son !
So the Elect are reconciled to God even when by Nature they are unconverted and still being enemies in their MINDS ! This mind is not a Believer, but a Enemy! Nevertheless this enemie has been reconciled to God ! That is also Justification with God !
Correct, so Paul was saying, even while being enemies !
Correct, which normally means past tense !
The Truth is, that while the elect were in a state of being enemies, which means this Col 1:21
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Even as that, enemies in their minds by wicked works, They had been reconciled to God by the Death of His Son !
So the Elect are reconciled to God even when by Nature they are unconverted and still being enemies in their MINDS ! This mind is not a Believer, but a Enemy! Nevertheless this enemie has been reconciled to God ! That is also Justification with God !