Regeneration and sanctification

After Damascus Paul never went by Saul again that is why i said the way i said it, but what you said was a great insight thank you.

 

So all those regenerated by Christ's death, burial and resurrection, shall receive a New Birth. The Birth proceeds from the generation. There must have been a generation or regeneration for there to be a birth. Thats called being born of incorruptible seed. 1 Pet 1:23

23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

 

It is the new birth, just as it says it is, and demonstrates very clearly that the new birth cannot happen until the age of understanding has been reached. It also demonstrates that the new birth cannot happen until the gospel has been understood and accepted by faith, as also does John 1:12,13.

 

David was a murderer and an adulterer, if you recall properly.
You also fall into the same category, if you understand your Bible correctly.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

All, or perhaps most, of these fell into these categories. According to Jesus interpretation of the Law on the Sermon on the Mount they all did. And so would you.

 

I'm going back to the OP. I believe the word of God teaches that sanctification,
set apart or called according to his purpose is receiving the Holy Spirit of promise. That promise being the redemption of the purchased possession, regeneration.

The following is the process.

ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Doesn't that underlined have to take place before we are saved, that is born again? That is to inherit salvation? Is that salvation called life in Col.3:3 not presently in Christ yet in the future when He shall appear be in us? Does not the same principle apply to spiritual birth that applies to physical birth? Is the fruit of generation the day of conception or the day of birth? Why do most think in the spiritual realm conception and birth take place at the same moment? Is the physical anything but a shadow of the spiritual? Which is the earnest,
(begotten) until the redemption of (birth regeneration)

Matt. 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Question. Did Jesus have this begetting Spirit of God the Father in him until the moment he died?
Another question. Did it belong to him of to the Father?
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Question. I will ask again did the Holy Spirit belong to Jesus the Son or the Father?
Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Question. Someone that has been raised from the dead and is presently on the right hand of God receives the Holy Spirit from one called the Father and sheds it forth to others. Who?
Titus 3:5.6 By the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Question. Who has gone through regeneration and been renewed with the Holy Spirit and has had that shed forth on others in his name?

Big question. When the Holy Spirit is shed on one is he then conceived/begotten as a son of God an heir waiting on his birth/regeneration, the adoption to wit, to inherit in a moment in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump?

And are the children of God being the children of the resurrection.

Ye which have followed me in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory,
Question. Does this not take place at the same time as the last trump and being the children of the resurrection?

I understand for most of you it would be hard to agree with this. But is this not the meaning of born again? And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

 

I believe most of this is answered in my previous post. I responded in the middle of your post. Sorry.

 

This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? (Galatians 3:2-3)

What does this passage have to do with the new birth? Nothing that I can see. Paul's letter to the Galatians was to rebuke them for being led astray by the legalistic Judaizers. They had begun "in the Spirit," and now had been influenced by those that were teaching that keeping the law and circumcision were necessary for salvation. This is the context, both of the book, and of these verses. It doesn't say anything about the new birth.

The new birth is explained quite well by Jesus in John 3:1-10. More information is given about it in 1Pet.1:23 and in John 1:12,13. These verses refer directly to the new birth. Titus 3:5 refers specifically to regeneration. Most of the other verses that others have been using they have been spiritualizing or allegorizing. I have seen some strange posts on the board lately, but have refrained from commenting.

 

What you post here concerning 1 Peter 1:3,23 is the point of my post 106.

If by the raising of Christ from the dead in verse 3 God the Father hath begotten or as in Young's did beget meaning conceived us unto a lively hope therefore we being raised from the dead then also verse 23 instead of born again of we are conceived, begotten again of.

Does not my post 106 say the exact same thing as 1 Peter 1:3,23 within this concept?

Also Gal. 3:2,3 is relative to this thought. We received the Spirit from Jesus who received it from the Father because of his death and being made alive again. That is the hearing of faith.
Having begun in the Spirit begotten, conceived
Have you achieved perfection in the flesh? NO! And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Be born again.

 

The new birth is the final stage of the process of regeneration.

All of it PRECEDES faith.

Unregenerate man CANNOT receive the things of the Spirit of God.

Receiving the things of the Spirit of God is the very ESSENCE of saving faith.

Therefore, unregenerate man cannot utilize saving faith.

It takes regeneration to be able to believe.

I John 5:1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Being born of God clearly PRECEDES believing in this verse.

 

Actually, it would appear that its either faith first, causing the regeneration
Or
Faith/regeneration occuring at same time, or so close we would see it being same time book ends of process

DO see where the Lord sends grace on/to His elected person, whose will is thus enabled to do actual trepentance and turning to God
God quickens him to be able to hear and ubderstand and exercise faith in Jesus, after hearing the Gospel...

IF you mean a sort of ""effectual calling" proceeds faith and being saved that seems OK

dont see support for full blown regeneration first than faith than salvation

 

regeneration from the greek "paligge" re-creation or as it is found only twice in scripture as regeneration. Matthew 19:28 and Titus 3:5.

We become re-created by faith. We were dead in sin and our human spirit came alive and was regenerated or re-created because of faith. Faith must come first for with out faith

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Romans 3:22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference

Righteousness is not imputed until Faith has taken place.

Hebrews 11:
6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

7By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Because of Faith Noah and the other seven were saved, faith came before righteousness was imputed just as faith comes before regeneration. Every part of salvation comes through faith but everything is so close but all aspects of salvation are driven by FAITH.

 

Death in the Bible always is defined as separation.
IMO, the Calvinist has taken this word "death" defined it as lifelessness and built a false doctrine around a word that they have wrongly defined. Death is separation, not lifelessness.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. (James 2:26)
--Even in physical death the definition is when the spirit is separated from the body. That is death--separation.

In Eph.2:1 (quoted above) they were once dead, but now are alive. Why? Not because they had no life or were lifeless (wrong definition), but because they were spiritually separated from God. Sin had separated them from God. The only way that they could be made alive is by reconciliation through Jesus Christ.

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. (2 Corinthians 5:19)
--We are made alive through Christ. Christ uses men.

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. (2 Corinthians 5:20)
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. (2 Corinthians 5:21)

A man is reconciled to God through the new birth. It is not a process, but a one time event that happens simultaneously with salvation and justification. It has nothing to do with sanctification.

He loved us enough to desire that we be born into his family. When we enter into this world we are automatically born into the family of the devil, thus the necessity of the new birth.

This is one of the benefits of salvation; something we look forward to.

This is how all of us are saved; there should be no controversy here.

I trust there is no disagreement here either. Good works follow salvation. That is the will of God.

Being born again is being born into God's family.
There are two things necessary: John 3:5 indicates that the Holy Spirit is necessary, and 1Pet.1:23 is necessary. God uses the Holy Spirit to work through His Word (the gospel) to bring a person to himself, that that person may be born into his family. According to John 1:12,13, he is born of God by receiving Christ by believing on the name of name of Christ.

I fail to see the connection. Paul was speaking of things already accomplished in the lives of these believers. In verse 10 he says:

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: (Colossians 2:10)

This entire passage starts with a picture of baptism (which takes place after salvation and pictures our death to our old life and our resurrection to a new life in Christ), and then goes on to elaborate on the Christian life.

I believe this verse is written to a local church, not applicable to any so-called universal church.

It was a different ministry.

And what has that got to do with the new birth that Jesus speaks of in John 3?

 

Except you forget Ephesians 5:18 which I believe is the Christian way of Life. Be ye not drunk with wine wherein is excess but be ye filled with the Spirit.

We are indwelt and filled at the point of Salvation but when we sin we lose the filling (control) of the Holy Spirit. The control as Paul points out is lost when we let sin control our lives instead of the Spirit.

Ephesians 4: 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Unity for us is seen in these 7 ones. The One Baptism that pulls us all together is the Baptisnm of the Holy Spirit.

The body of the church in under one Spirit (Holy spirit), One hope of our calling (to salvation) One Lord (Jesus), One Faith (Faith in Him), One Baptism (of the Holy Spirit) that brings us all together, One God and Fatrher of all.

Beautiful passage by Paul showing how God pulled it altogheter making us one with Him.

 

The infilling of the Holy Spirit is a moment by moment "thing"
Basically, its allowing for Him to empower you, to live the life of Jesus in and thru you daily....

Sauntification is daily process where God molds you more into image of Christ, that you "put off" your old nature daily, and "put on" your new nature in Christ...

Can use Bible study/memorization/applications /prayer life witnessing all part of getting you more like Christ...

At moment of salvation, Holy Spirt comes to indwell us, and he never leaves, sealing yus until day God redeems fully at Seconfd Coming of Christ..

THAT is permenant one time event, BUT the infilling is making the choice to allow HIm to empower and enable us to live for God...

Really, that is ONLY way we can live for God, as w/o the Holy Spirit empowering us, all we have left to fall back upon is sinful flesh!