Regeneration and sanctification

Regeneration is a one time event , when after excercising faith in the Lord Jesus, the Lord sends His Holy Spirit into you, granting you a "new heart/mind of Christ" that is when you receive indwelling of Holy Spirit, now a baby/new born Christian...

Sauntification is the life long process by which you are being comfirmed more into "image of Christ"

Not regeneration, that is done at conversion point, but Holy Spirit working out you being more like Christ, or as John the Baptist said about Jesus "I MUST decrease and He MUST increase!"

 

The filling or means control, regenration means a new life, you were seperated from God in death Spiritual Death, but are now regenerated to new Life in Chirst. So regenration is a permanet occurance, like the indwelling of the Spirit. He comes in and you now have him living in you and your Human spirit and Holy Spirit work together in your Spiritual life.

Romans 8:
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.


Verse 16 the Holy Spirit bears witness with our (human) Spirit that we are the Children of God, that is proof of regeneration.

 

A. Is having the Spirit of adoption different from the adoption to wit?
B. Is being sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of
of out inheritance the same as actually inheriting the promise?
C. Does having received the Spirit of adoption only make one an heir?
D. When will the heirs become inheritors?
E. Would you not say that being born into or entering something is best
described as an heir or as an inheritor?
F. When will be the manifestation of the sons of God that is associated
with groans and travailing in pains (birth terms) even we
(Christians) groan within themselves waiting for?
G. When Mary was conceived of God by the Holy Spirit would that child
growing within her be construed as the only begotten of the Father
and be the son of God?

Seven questions.

 

A. Is having the Spirit of adoption different from the adoption to wit?
Verse 16 of Romans 8 gives the answer The Holy Spirit bears witness with our human Spirit that we are the sons of God. Verse 15 says we have been adopted and the Spirit is the proof of it.

B. Is being sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of
of out inheritance the same as actually inheriting the promise?
The sealing of the Spirit is like an earnest money contract earnest of our inheritance), God places in us the indwelling Holy Spirit as the down payment or as the earnest money if you will to show His good faith of completing our entire inheritance as sons. As proof that we will be made complete for eternity. Complete Salvation of body, soul and spirit in a new form like unto Christ resurrected Body.

C. Does having received the Spirit of adoption only make one an heir?
We are heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ. It makes us full fledge Children of God.

D. When will the heirs become inheritors?
At the Rapture, when Christ returns for His Bride the church. We will receive a new resurrected body which will be complete with soul and spirit.

E. Would you not say that being born into or entering something is best
described as an heir or as an inheritor?
We are Born into earthly families but that doesn’t make us inheritors of anything but the name. We enter into Christ being born again not physically but our spirit is re-generated to new life. No not being separated from fellowship and understanding of Spiritual things we have inherited the things of the Spirit of God. We now have Spiritual discernment because we have been regenerated made alive Spiritually.

F. When will be the manifestation of the sons of God that is associated
with groans and travailing in pains (birth terms) even we
(Christians) groan within themselves waiting for?
Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
When the rapture occurs and our body is fully redeemed never to see corruption either again or ever.

G. When Mary was conceived of God by the Holy Spirit would that child
growing within her be construed as the only begotten of the Father
and be the son of God? Yes fully God and fully human with the exception that he would not inherit the Old Sin Nature. The Old Sin Nature is inherited from the father (Adam) because Adam willfully sinned while Eve was deceived. 1Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Since Adam was not deceived everything about sin and the fall come from him that and because he was created first and the head of the family. Inheritance comes from him for physical things. Inheritance of Spiritual comes from God.

 

Let me ask both of you and anyone else that reads the thread.

When we are raised from the dead, in his resurrected image, at the return of Christ will we be less than, the exact same as or a much better man / new creature than the first man Adam was created?

Remember Adam was made a little lower than the angels, as are all men.
Remember also that the Word made flesh Jesus was made a little lower than the angels. The Christ came in the flesh, just as we are, lived just as we do, was tempted just as we are, Yet Without Sin. However being sinless I mean not one little bitty fib, he died for all of mankind. He was the last Adam. He Jesus the Christ died, the person that wept, that loved, that walked and talked, that person died. That person that was dead was buried the Christ, Christ the person rose again the third day, his soul was not left in hell. It was Christ that was seen after this not just the body of Christ. It's people that are dead in Christ not bodies. Jesus was buried as the Word made flesh.
The last Adam when he was resurrected he was a new kind of creature in whose image we also can be resurrected.

Rev. The spirit of adoption begets adoption an earnest.
The earnest of inheritance begets inheritance.
You said something about a child might inherit well a name at birth. What do you think this passage is speaking of?
Hebrews 1:4,5 he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

What day was this? What name was he called that day?

 

None of those verses say anything at all about faith PRECEDING regeneration. They don't address a chronology at all.

I John 5:1 does say that being born again PRECEDES faith.

Furthermore the Bible is clear that the natural man CANNOT receive the things of the Spirit of God.

He has to become something more than natural before he can receive the things of the Spirit of God.

That only happens by regeneration.

 

Is the phrase "false doctrine" really helpful or necessary? Obviously, if you disagree with a doctrine, you obviously believe it is not correctly interpreted. However, this just appears a bit too strong for my tastes. I don't think Arminianism should be called a false doctrine, merely a misinterpretation.

Maybe I'm reading too much into your usage of the phrase. I hope I am.

 

IMO, Tom it is "a doctrine that is not in agreement with what the Bible teaches," which is what I could have said instead. That is my personal belief about the matter. At least I didn't say "heresy."

 

:laugh:

True.

I still wish "false doctrine" hadn't come off your keyboard.

I am much more warm and fuzzy about you saying it's not in agreement with what the Bible teaches. That softens the blow a bit and is much more charitable.

All you forgot to do was substitute the word "incorrect" for the word "personal" in your next to last sentence :laugh:

Kidding, friend. :thumbs:

 

For once...

I also noticed you avoided calling someone's God a "monster" as I seem to recall you doing before.

 

Concerning sanctification, there is a Sanctification of the Father before there is a call in time according to Jude 1:1

1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

This is perhaps equivalent to that sanctification spoken of in Jer 1:5

5Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

There is also a sanctification of all for whom Christ died simply by His one offering Heb 10:10

10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The word sanctified here in the greek is in the perfect tense ! It is " we have been sanctified" by His once and for all offering of His body. This is not subjective sanctification or experiential, but it ensures it.