Regeneration vs Conversion

[Benoni]

Satan is still there alive after 1000 years...

So what? Satan is a took of God and can do nothing outside of God's will. Satan was never an angel. More religious myth.

Here Satan was never an angel always a liar here is proof he is lying about being an angel using God's Word.


II Cor. 11:14. It says Satan is able to transform

himself into an angel of light, but according to the Greek, the word is not

transform -- it is MASQUERADE (Strong's). This is as close as he has ever been

to being light -- as a masquerading actor.


Satan is masquerading as a angel of light.


Wow. God Word even tells us.

 

[Yeshua1]

Free will is a religious term not a scripture term. Yes we can freely choose many things as a carnal man. We did not choose our parents, where we were born and we do not choose our own salvation. We are saved by grace not the religious word freewill.

Now when it comes to Adam. No where does it say in Genesis that Adam chose to fall by freewill. But it does say in Ps 90. God turn man to destruction (not little Adam I will add). So plese show me using scripture not your opinion.


Ps. 90:1-3. "Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. You (God) turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.

Did God force Adam to sin?

 

[Benoni]

Fire could be a metaphor for the ternal judgement of God towards those who reject Jesus, as an eternal condemnation!

Of course it is a spiritual metaphor but it sure is not symbol of this doom and gloom you love to preach. Try God's Word for the answers to his symbolism not your opinion. Just like the sheep and baby goat their is good news coming from his Word. Was the same fir that was given to us on the day of Pentecost negative? God's fire is for a purpose to change us. there are many examples.



Here is an example of another fire Daniels friend’s thrown in the Fiery Furnace in Babylon. Only their bondages were burn.


Dan 3:23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.

24Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonished, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counselors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.

25He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.


Babylon always speaks of the world run by man be it the financial, political or religious systems. Baby-lon (note spelling (joke) is a golden cup in the lands of the Lord.


Jeremiah 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the Lord's hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

 

[Benoni]

Did God force Adam to sin?

So Psalm 90 is lying?

 

[Yeshua1]

So Psalm 90 is lying?

Did God determine that Adam would sin?

 

[Benoni]

Did God determine that Adam would sin?

So Psalm 90 is lying?

 

[Yeshua1]

So Psalm 90 is lying?

I would base my theology on more than a single iisolated verse!

 

[Benoni]

I would base my theology on more than a single iisolated verse!

Please then give me more than this single isolated verse. So far all you have given is your bias opinion.


here are more.

ISA 63:17 O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.

ROM 5:20 Law came in, to increase the trespass; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

ROM 11:8 as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that should not see and ears that should not hear, down to this very day."

GAL 3:22 But thescripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. .




Ps. 90:1-3. "Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. You (God) turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.


(NIRV) Romans 8: 20 The created world was bound to fail. But that was not the result of its own choice. It was planned that way by the One who made it. God planned to set the created world free. He didn't want it to rot away completely. Instead, he wanted it to have the same glorious freedom that his children have



But you can't back it up so you try to force your false doctrine base on your hot air and assumption. We should change your name to follower of assumptions it would fit you better.


(NLV) 20 Everything that has been made in the world is weak. It is not that the world wanted it to be that way. God allowed it to be that way. Yet there is hope. 21 Everything that has been made in the world will be set free from the power that can destroy. These will become free just as the children of God become free.


(NASB) 20For the creation (A)was subjected to (B)futility, not willingly, but (C)because of Him who subjected it, [a]in hope 21that (D)the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.



MSG) 8-21 That's why I don't think there's any comparison between the present hard times and the coming good times. The created world itself can hardly wait for what's coming next. Everything in creation is being more or less held back. God reins it in until both creation and all the creatures are ready and can be released at the same moment into the glorious times ahead. Meanwhile, the joyful anticipation deepens.



(NLV) 20 Everything that has been made in the world is weak. It is not that the world wanted it to be that way. God allowed it to be that way. Yet there is hope. 21 Everything that has been made in the world will be set free from the power that can destroy. These will become free just as the children of God become free.



(NIRV) Romans 8: 20 The created world was bound to fail. But that was not the result of its own choice. It was planned that way by the One who made it. God planned 21 to set the created world free. He didn't want it to rot away completely. Instead, he wanted it to have the same glorious freedom that his children have

 

[Yeshua1]

Please then give me more than this single isolated verse. So far all you have given is your bias opinion.


here are more.

ISA 63:17 O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.

ROM 5:20 Law came in, to increase the trespass; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

ROM 11:8 as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that should not see and ears that should not hear, down to this very day."

GAL 3:22 But thescripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. .




Ps. 90:1-3. "Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. You (God) turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.


(NIRV) Romans 8: 20 The created world was bound to fail. But that was not the result of its own choice. It was planned that way by the One who made it. God planned to set the created world free. He didn't want it to rot away completely. Instead, he wanted it to have the same glorious freedom that his children have



But you can't back it up so you try to force your false doctrine base on your hot air and assumption. We should change your name to follower of assumptions it would fit you better.


(NLV) 20 Everything that has been made in the world is weak. It is not that the world wanted it to be that way. God allowed it to be that way. Yet there is hope. 21 Everything that has been made in the world will be set free from the power that can destroy. These will become free just as the children of God become free.


(NASB) 20For the creation (A)was subjected to (B)futility, not willingly, but (C)because of Him who subjected it, [a]in hope 21that (D)the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.



MSG) 8-21 That's why I don't think there's any comparison between the present hard times and the coming good times. The created world itself can hardly wait for what's coming next. Everything in creation is being more or less held back. God reins it in until both creation and all the creatures are ready and can be released at the same moment into the glorious times ahead. Meanwhile, the joyful anticipation deepens.



(NLV) 20 Everything that has been made in the world is weak. It is not that the world wanted it to be that way. God allowed it to be that way. Yet there is hope. 21 Everything that has been made in the world will be set free from the power that can destroy. These will become free just as the children of God become free.



(NIRV) Romans 8: 20 The created world was bound to fail. But that was not the result of its own choice. It was planned that way by the One who made it. God planned 21 to set the created world free. He didn't want it to rot away completely. Instead, he wanted it to have the same glorious freedom that his children have

Do you see God then as the Aggent/Creator of evil and the fall?

 

[Benoni]

Do you see God then as the Aggent/Creator of evil and the fall?

Did not God create the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil? If there is evil who is better to control it God or another god where God loss control of evil?

 

[Yeshua1]

Did not God create the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil? If there is evil who is better to control it God or another god where God loss control of evil?

So God created and caused satan?

 

[Benoni]

So God created and caused satan?

So you believe Satan had so much power He deceived God. Pull the wool God's eyes? Snunk one pass God? That Satan was a second thought to the all knowing God? Did I just post where Satan is masquerading as an angel? Is not God creator of all things or not?

 

[Benoni]

Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his works; and I have created the waster to destroy.

(See God created Satan as a waster a destroyer not an arch angel) Then our Lord says:

Jesus in Jn 8:44 Said Ye are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the BEGINNING and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it.

John writes in

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the BEGINNING. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil..


Now I will address Ez. 28. where you go assuming and adding to God’s Word; no where is the word “Satan” anywhere in this Ez. 28; yes Satan was in the Garden of Eden; but so was Adam.

Adam fell from a high and lofty place; Satan was created as a liar a murderer from his beginnings that is a scriptural fact. You are the one dodging the fact of the literal passages that declares Satan was always a liar (not from the beginning of the Bible as you false stated), and a murderer and that is the way God created him.

Not as an angel as Rome has made him, you are ignoring and dodging this fact of God’s Word and replacing it with assumptions.

Where does it say Satan was a guardian of the mercy seat; what a joke.

You are right it is foolish notion to believe Satan has two beginnings; nothing has two beginnings but you’re doctrine makes this foolishness a fact; unless you are totally ignoring the verses I listed above; that declare Satan’s not Lucifer’s beginnings. Seeing you have only Ez 28 which never mentioned the word Satan (more assumption); and ignore the fact Satan has one beginning not two, yet you are still trying to prove Satan has two beginning.

Yes he deceived Adam and Eve as a serpent (not an arch angel); he is known as the deceiver (that is one of his titles; just like murderer; but a serpent is a far cry from an arch angel. No where does it say Satan was a an angel; you are assuming this with no substance.


You said” Satan became consumed in loving himself and no longer loved God. He was created Lucifer and he fell and became Satan and Satan was in the garden and most certainly and Angel.

You have no scriptural proof is assumption except Ez. 28 which never connects Satan to Lucifer except in youre false creed and in your'e mind; in fact the word Lucifer is not even a Hebrew Word, but you and your old warn out creeds from Rome have made a false doctrine around these bad interpretations and assumptions; you think if you can place the word Lucifer an Satan together there is a connection; the only connection is you’re assumption.

You all give Satan far too much power.

 

[TCassidy]

If they break your heart as you claim than it surely is not of God.

That is blasphemy. God's Righteousness is not dependent on our opinions.

 

[Yeshua1]

So you believe Satan had so much power He deceived God. Pull the wool God's eyes? Snunk one pass God? That Satan was a second thought to the all knowing God? Did I just post where Satan is masquerading as an angel? Is not God creator of all things or not?

Did God make /force Satan to fall?

 

[Yeshua1]

That is blasphemy. God's Righteousness is not dependent on our opinions.

Neither is He obligated to save any of us, as we all deserved to be lost!

 

[tyndale1946]

That is blasphemy. God's Righteousness is not dependent on our opinions.

Seems we always get one of these so called preachers on here... Well eventually they burn out and go away... The way this guy keeps ratting on, hell will be full and heaven will be empty... T.C. did you guys get rid of the ignore button?... Where is it hiding when you need it?... Brother Glen

 

[MennoSota]

This is the problem with religion people like you who think you have all the answers of God's Word because of your human carnal religious knowledge. God's Word is spiritual not religious and you can call me all the names in the book but remember this verse.

1 Corin. 1:25 (Amp) [This is] because the foolish thing [that has its source in] God is wiser than men, and the weak thing [that springs] from God is stronger than men.

26For [simply] consider your own call, brethren; not many [of you were considered to be] wise according to human estimates and standards, not many influential and powerful, not many of high and noble birth.

27[No] for God selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is foolish to put the wise to shame, and what the world calls weak to put the strong to shame.

28And God also selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is lowborn and insignificant and branded and treated with contempt, even the things that are nothing, that He might depose and bring to nothing the things that are,

29So that no mortal man should [have pretense for glorying and] boast in the presence of God.

30But it is from Him that you have your life in Christ Jesus, Whom God made our Wisdom from God, [revealed to us a knowledge of the divine plan of salvation previously hidden, manifesting itself as] our Righteousness [thus making us upright and putting us in right standing with God], and our Consecration [making us pure and holy], and our Redemption [providing our ransom from eternal penalty for sin].

Of course you, being as carnal as everyone else, seem to demand that you alone are correct in your "predestined universalism" even though the Bible doesn't support your view.

Could it be that you, in your carnality, are wrong? Or does your pride demand that you alone are the spiritual guru?

Again, would you share where your compound is located. I'd like to check it out on Google Maps.

 

[MennoSota]

Ah, the old Presbyterian argument that the cart does come before the horse.

 

[MennoSota]

If they break your heart as you claim than it surely is not of God. Let peace rule. Obviously your doctrine is wrong if peace does not rule and they break your heart. Here is what God's Word has to say about not being at peace or as you claim "breaking your heart.

Let the Peace of God Rule-

“And let the peace of God rule in your hearts.... Colossians ..peace, the umpire and ruling principle



The word “rule” used in our text comes from the Greek word, “brabeuo”, meaning TO ACT AS JUDGE OR PRESIDENT. Let PEACE be the ruling principle to decide and settle with finality all arising issues. We give three other translations to help bear out the scope of meaning:



“Let the ruling principle in your hearts be Christ’s peace, for in becoming members of one body you have been called under its sway. (Goodspeed).



“Let the peace which Christ gives settle all questionings in your hearts....(Weymouth).



“(act as umpire continually) in your hearts - deciding and settling with finality all questions that arise in your minds - , …” (Amplified).



The word PEACE is defined as: a state of tranquility or quiet; freedom from fears, agitating passions, etc. including freedom from moral confict. What conflict we endure trying to decide if the matter be right, or wrong; not necessarily if it be sinful or holy, but to decide which are the right issues, the right step, or the right stand to take. And so for all of this, what should become the ruling factor in making decisons? LET THE PEACE OF GOD ACT AS THE UMPIRE.

I am at peace that God is Sovereign. As King he can choose to do whatever he wills to rebels who by nature hate God.

"I've learned to kiss the wave that casts me upon the Rock of Ages."