Remaining Roman Catholic

[utilyan]

I love to have you around here, just not posting false catholic theology!

Thank you Yeshua, I think if your good conscience says to fight the catholic faith, that is a very honorable act however misplaced.


Lets presume for a moment you were correct. For everyone else to spread what is false shouldn't be a surprise at all. And your personal correction of others would be impossible.

According to your theology there is NOTHING neither YOU or I can do to BETTER or WORSEN or affect the others SALVATION or UNDERSTANDING of the Gospel

Because unless a person has received their mystical experience with God. By which their GNOSTIC super powers have been activated by the initial regeneration, they will not understand the gospel.


A Catholic who attends Sunday worship will HEAR the entire bible within 3 years.

A Catholic who attends Sunday and daily worship will HEAR the entire bible within 1 year.

The homilies floating around the gospel would be insignificant no matter how totally wrong they are.

They would still be HEARING THE GOSPEL. Which is a heavy factor for the probability of God initiating the regeneration.



IF the tables were turned. And I was the Calvinist and you guys non-Calvinist.

The ONLY #1 thing I could do make sure I present the MINIMUM REQUIREMENT of the GOSPEL, Be assured you HEARD the whole thing, even if you didn't agree or understand it.

After that there is no debating, I would be praying to God.

And beg God to regenerate and enlighten you so you could receive your Magical GNOSTIC understanding.



^Tell me what I would be doing wrong as a Calvinist.


In fact globally your only concern would be that person at the bare minimum HEARS THE GOSPEL.


What is the magical formula of "hearing the Gospel"?

Is it John 3:16? is it Romans? Is it the gopsel of mark? all the gospel? Genesis to Revelations?

What is the bare minimum?

 

[utilyan]

True. But, not of recent origin. Consider the following.

Christ Did Not Die for Pope To Be Glorified - C.H. Spurgeon - Girded with Truth

Christ Did Not Die for Pope To Be Glorified – C. H. Spurgeon

Christ Did Not Die for Pope To Be Glorified: Christ did not redeem His Church with His blood that the Pope might come in and steal away the glory! He never came from Heaven to earth and poured out His very heart that He might purchase His people so that a poor sinner, a mere man, should be set upon high to be admired by all the nations and to call himself God’s representative on earth!

The Lord Jesus Christ has always been the Head of His Church

It is not possible for any to be Head in the Church of Christ, but Jesus! Has God exalted Him and made Him to be the Head over all things—and it is usurping the prerogative of Christ for any to suppose they can be Head of the Church of Christ, for Jesus Christ is the Head and He, alone, holds power over ecclesiastical organizations! Over the sacred mystical, blood-bought, redeemed, regenerated Church of Christ there never can, by any possibility, be any other Head but Jesus Christ, the Lord Himself! Now mark, God has exalted the Lord Jesus Christ in the government of His Church All authority, all authoritative rules in Zion come through Jesus Christ. All true teaching in Zion comes from His lips. We call no man, master, upon earth, for One is our Master, and that One is Christ. No man is Rabbi in the Church, but He is our Rabboni, our Teacher, and all other teachers are thieves and robbers if they teach on their own authority. They only are accepted as the Lord’s shepherds, who speak Christ’s Truth in Christ’s name—and in the power of His own Spirit. God has made Christ to rule supremely throughout the Church, and in this He has glorified Him!


Charles Spurgeon QUOTES on ROMAN CATHOLICISM - Historicist.com The Protestant Interpretation of Biblical Prophecy. The Historical Alternative

After that lot of rubbish had been cleared away, the task was only begun, for soon after apostolic times, and first zeal of Christians had gone, there came the old ROMAN rubbish, which in the end proved a worse hindrance than all which had preceeded it. This Popish rubbish was found in layers - first one doctrinal error, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, till at this time the errors of the Church of Rome are as countless as the stars, as black as midnight, and as foul as hell. Her abominations reek in the nostrils of all good men. Her idolatries are the scorn of reason and the abhorrence of faith. The iniquities of her practice, and the enormities of her doctrine, almost surpass belief.


Popery is as much the masterpiece of Satan as the gospel is the masterpiece of God. There can scarcely be imagined anything of devilish craftiness or Satanic wickedness which could be compared with her, she is unparalleled, the queen of iniquity. Behold upon her forehead the name, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. The church of Rome and her teachings are a vast mountain of rubbish covering the truth.

"Popery is as much the masterpiece of Satan as the gospel is the masterpiece of God. "

Its common for Gnostics to believe dualities attribute Satan with Equal divine power.


I think you give the devil way too much credit. Its not like the devil has a job at all being that all are TOTALLY DEPRAVED, " It is GOD's evil duality's masterpiece. "

Even you served the devil prior to your Gnostic enlightenment and regeneration.

Its amazing lack of humility that you believe yourself chosen supreme and still entertain your spitefulness of catholic who was as powerless as you before your Gnostic regeneration and enlightenment.

 

[Yeshua1]

Thank you Yeshua, I think if your good conscience says to fight the catholic faith, that is a very honorable act however misplaced.


Lets presume for a moment you were correct. For everyone else to spread what is false shouldn't be a surprise at all. And your personal correction of others would be impossible.

According to your theology there is NOTHING neither YOU or I can do to BETTER or WORSEN or affect the others SALVATION or UNDERSTANDING of the Gospel

Because unless a person has received their mystical experience with God. By which their GNOSTIC super powers have been activated by the initial regeneration, they will not understand the gospel.


A Catholic who attends Sunday worship will HEAR the entire bible within 3 years.

A Catholic who attends Sunday and daily worship will HEAR the entire bible within 1 year.

The homilies floating around the gospel would be insignificant no matter how totally wrong they are.

They would still be HEARING THE GOSPEL. Which is a heavy factor for the probability of God initiating the regeneration.



IF the tables were turned. And I was the Calvinist and you guys non-Calvinist.

The ONLY #1 thing I could do make sure I present the MINIMUM REQUIREMENT of the GOSPEL, Be assured you HEARD the whole thing, even if you didn't agree or understand it.

After that there is no debating, I would be praying to God.

And beg God to regenerate and enlighten you so you could receive your Magical GNOSTIC understanding.



^Tell me what I would be doing wrong as a Calvinist.


In fact globally your only concern would be that person at the bare minimum HEARS THE GOSPEL.


What is the magical formula of "hearing the Gospel"?

Is it John 3:16? is it Romans? Is it the gopsel of mark? all the gospel? Genesis to Revelations?

What is the bare minimum?

What does Paul say about anyone, or any church, that tyeaches another Gospel?

 

[Yeshua1]

"Popery is as much the masterpiece of Satan as the gospel is the masterpiece of God. "

Its common for Gnostics to believe dualities attribute Satan with Equal divine power.


I think you give the devil way too much credit. Its not like the devil has a job at all being that all are TOTALLY DEPRAVED, " It is GOD's evil duality's masterpiece. "

Even you served the devil prior to your Gnostic enlightenment and regeneration.

Its amazing lack of humility that you believe yourself chosen supreme and still entertain your spitefulness of catholic who was as powerless as you before your Gnostic regeneration and enlightenment.

The Papacy is a man made myth, created to make sure people stay blind and walking in the dark and in fear to Mother Church.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Even you served the devil prior to your Gnostic enlightenment and regeneration.

My post was in regards to

Thats because most Baptist & Protestants today dont like the RCC.

I did not express my point of view, just posted quotes from C. Spurgeon to give a time frame. To pursue your charges against me, you need to start a new thread since it has no relationship to the OP.

Have a great day.

 

[Yeshua1]

My post was in regards to I did not express my point of view, just posted quotes from C. Spurgeon to give a time frame. To pursue your charges against me, you need to start a new thread since it has no relationship to the OP.

Have a great day.

Ah, Spurgeon, the greatest Baptist of us all!

 

[utilyan]

What does Paul say about anyone, or any church, that tyeaches another Gospel?

You saying a direct citation of the bible is not the gospel?

 

[Yeshua1]

The scripture is, but the understanding of the Gospel by Rome is not!

 

[utilyan]

The scripture is, but the understanding of the Gospel by Rome is not!

The understanding doesn't matter. A person just needs to hear the gospel and only God can provide the regeneration and gnostic understanding.

As is the current claim is if you are not elect you don't understand the gospel and you can't do anything good.

 

[Vincent1]

Im waiting for someone to inquire as to what is a sacrumental church vs a Baptistic Church! There you can deliniate.... & Steve you may have a leg up on these guys if you spent time in any Anglican Churches. I really believe this is a breakdown of church differences (which is far from being a unifier for Christians).

Little (quick) story. I was born & raised RC. A few years after my marriage, my lovely wife Pam convinced me to go Reformed. I truly believed it was a step up from Roman Catholism.....I still do however it still retains Infant Baptism & all the stuff I am unconfortable with like.......What if your child dies in infancy w/o being baptised, where is the child? With RC and Orthodox Presbyterianism (reformed church) you can pretty much guess the answer. Thats when I started inquiring what Baptists believe.

What is the Baptist answer to this question?

 

[Adonia]

The scripture is, but the understanding of the Gospel by Rome is not!

You are full of prunes.

 

[Adonia]

You saying a direct citation of the bible is not the gospel?

If you don't adhere to one thing and one thing only as regards the Christian experience, you do not have the correct gospel. Our friend here only has Jesus in a book, we have Him in the flesh.

 

[utilyan]

Im waiting for someone to inquire as to what is a sacrumental church vs a Baptistic Church! There you can deliniate.... & Steve you may have a leg up on these guys if you spent time in any Anglican Churches. I really believe this is a breakdown of church differences (which is far from being a unifier for Christians).

Little (quick) story. I was born & raised RC. A few years after my marriage, my lovely wife Pam convinced me to go Reformed. I truly believed it was a step up from Roman Catholism.....I still do however it still retains Infant Baptism & all the stuff I am unconfortable with like.......What if your child dies in infancy w/o being baptised, where is the child? With RC and Orthodox Presbyterianism (reformed church) you can pretty much guess the answer. Thats when I started inquiring what Baptists believe.

".What if your child dies in infancy w/o being baptised, where is the child? With RC and Orthodox Presbyterianism (reformed church) you can pretty much guess the answer."

Don't ask a Nazi about what Jews believe.

 

[Rebel1]

An observation based on years of participation on forums of various faith groups, and a knowledge of church history: The definition of a heretic is someone who believes other than what you do.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

".What if your child dies in infancy w/o being baptised, where is the child? With RC and Orthodox Presbyterianism (reformed church) you can pretty much guess the answer."

Don't ask a Nazi about what Jews believe.

This is what the Catholic Church teaches about children who dies before baptism. "1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: “Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,”64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism. (1257, 1250)"
Libreria Editrice Vaticana. Catechism of the Catholic Church. United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

".What if your child dies in infancy w/o being baptised, where is the child? With RC and Orthodox Presbyterianism (reformed church) you can pretty much guess the answer."

Don't ask a Nazi about what Jews believe.

Do you know how to use the quotes feature?

Now to address your commentary, just who are you portraying as a NAZI?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

This is what the Catholic Church teaches about children who dies before baptism. "1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: “Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,”64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism. (1257, 1250)"
Libreria Editrice Vaticana. Catechism of the Catholic Church. United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Is that a recent stance or has that always been the RCC position?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

An observation based on years of participation on forums of various faith groups, and a knowledge of church history: The definition of a heretic is someone who believes other than what you do.

Very profound

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Is that a recent stance or has that always been the RCC position?

I have to research it some to be certain how the church has historically viewed the issue and there are several statements by differing people that would hold one view and another, another view. However, Magisterium doesn't go back on what has been previously taught. What generally happens is that certain views maybe expressed differently by different people theologians, clergy, etc... But when the question is raised to and there becomes a dogmatic statement for the magisterium that settles it for good.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You are full of prunes.

See, then he wouldn’t be full of the other