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Remaining Roman Catholic

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Yeshua1

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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Baptism
:…baptism can be bestowed upon infants immediately after they are born, and in case of necessity even in their mother's womb.”

I knew two men who worked in the local Catholic Hospital; one a doctor, the other worked in maintenance, neither Catholic. Both testified that there were baptismal kits, including a syringe to be inserted into the womb if child was in eminent danger of dying.

If the wholly water is to be administered to the head in order to be effective, this would be a questionable procedure at best. Maybe good intentions would count.
Sounds morte like superstition to me than bible!
 

Vincent1

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They are saved by God choosing to have the grace of the Cross applied towards them!

So babies are saved. But I was always told in Baptist churches that one had to accept Jesus as savior in order to be saved. So on what basis do you consider babies to be saved? And when do they “lose salvation”?
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Baptism
:…baptism can be bestowed upon infants immediately after they are born, and in case of necessity even in their mother's womb.”

I knew two men who worked in the local Catholic Hospital; one a doctor, the other worked in maintenance, neither Catholic. Both testified that there were baptismal kits, including a syringe to be inserted into the womb if child was in eminent danger of dying.

If the holy water is to be administered to the head in order to be effective, this would be a questionable procedure at best. Maybe good intentions would count.

Huh... the child in the womb is already encased in embryo fluid. Why then .... oh, that is bizarre.
 

Vincent1

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On the topic of Limbo:
“It is clear that the traditional teaching on this topic has concentrated on the theory of limbo, understood as a state which includes the souls of infants who die subject to original sin and without baptism, and who, therefore, neither merit the beatific vision, nor yet are subjected to any punishment, because they are not guilty of any personal sin. This theory, elaborated by theologians beginning in the Middle Ages, never entered into the dogmatic definitions of the Magisterium, even if that same Magisterium did at times mention the theory in its ordinary teaching up until the Second Vatican Council. It remains therefore a possible theological hypothesis.”
The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptised

It seems that Catholic thought is full of theories, (non-dogmatic) developed in an attempt to offer possible solutions to difficulties in theological matters while acknowledging that these are only hypothesis. It seems to be easier for Catholics to accept that certain things are mysteries and cannot be known with certainty. I am not sure why that is.
 

Revmitchell

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Do you need the definition for it or are you comfortable with it? Take a look at Matthew 5:45 then tell me your explanation for your comment, “ how many Romans do we have on this board”

Sure, I think the name Romans Catholic is foolish. No one here in this country is Roman. However, it was said as a joke, but it doesn't surprise me that you want to make something of it. You are certainly welcome to and the scripture you posted has nothing to do with my post.;
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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On the topic of Limbo:
“It is clear that the traditional teaching on this topic has concentrated on the theory of limbo, understood as a state which includes the souls of infants who die subject to original sin and without baptism, and who, therefore, neither merit the beatific vision, nor yet are subjected to any punishment, because they are not guilty of any personal sin. This theory, elaborated by theologians beginning in the Middle Ages, never entered into the dogmatic definitions of the Magisterium, even if that same Magisterium did at times mention the theory in its ordinary teaching up until the Second Vatican Council. It remains therefore a possible theological hypothesis.”
The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptised

It seems that Catholic thought is full of theories, (non-dogmatic) developed in an attempt to offer possible solutions to difficulties in theological matters while acknowledging that these are only hypothesis. It seems to be easier for Catholics to accept that certain things are mysteries and cannot be known with certainty. I am not sure why that is.
What’s your explaination of The Trinity?
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Sure, I think the name Romans Catholic is foolish. No one here in this country is Roman. However, it was said as a joke, but it doesn't surprise me that you want to make something of it. You are certainly welcome to and the scripture you posted has nothing to do with my post.;
I kinda doubt you said it as a joke... tell the truth, you were being both snarky and vindictive.
 

Vincent1

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What’s your explaination of The Trinity?

Well, it wouldn’t be my explanation of the Trinity as I am certainly not smart enough to develop that myself from scripture or logic. Simply put, I accept the tradition handed down and supported by scripture ; one God, Three Eternal Persons; Father,Son,and Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit preceding from the Father and the Son. How does this work? I cannot be certain, and I don’t pretend to know.

What is purpose of asking? Is the implication that I saying that non-Catholics are incapable of accepting theological mysteries as truth? Certainly not! I am merry saying that it is my perception that Catholics are more comfortable accepting certain truths as truths without requiring a detailed blueprint of how it works.
 

Yeshua1

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So babies are saved. But I was always told in Baptist churches that one had to accept Jesus as savior in order to be saved. So on what basis do you consider babies to be saved? And when do they “lose salvation”?
All babies ae born witrh sin natures, affected by Fall of Adam, but the Lord Himself decides to save them directrly, by doing for them what they could not do, aka, have faith in Christ!
 
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