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Removing Unvaccinated from Transplant List.

JonC

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It's ok boys and girls.
The unvaxed are subhuman by their own choice, whatever reason.
Plenty of posts on this forum prove it.
Do you then believe transplant surgeons consider smokers, alcoholics, those who refuse the hepatitis vaccines or flu vaccines, those who use marijuana, etc. as "subhuman"?
 

Reformed1689

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Do you then believe transplant surgeons consider smokers, alcoholics, those who refuse the hepatitis vaccines or flu vaccines, those who use marijuana, etc. as "subhuman"?
Again, you cannot compare the Covid vaccines to those vaccines. They are not equal.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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The transplant doctors study the immune system. The immune system is what causes most of the problems. Have to keep it low enough to prevent rejection but high enough to prevent everything else. It's a balance.
How does COVID vaccine factor into it? Are they suggesting that these shots are substantial enough to reduce these viruses long term? Probably not since they are profiteering by suggesting boosters every 3-6 months making these shots ciclical. Wouldn’t it be better for the patient to have had COVID thus have natural immunity?
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Yep. They said this was rare and typically went away on its own but since they have Pfizer are using that vaccine for those under 30 out of precaution. Makes sence (this was a known side-effect).
I’d prefer COVID to a heart attack….been there done that but at 48 yo not 19.
 

Reynolds

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Vaccines that have been time-tested.
How does COVID vaccine factor into it? Are they suggesting that these shots are substantial enough to reduce these viruses long term? Probably not since they are profiteering by suggesting boosters every 3-6 months making these shots ciclical. Wouldn’t it be better for the patient to have had COVID thus have natural immunity?
I honestly think they are banking on the shot giving immunity long enough to get the patient through the early post transplant phase when the immune system has to be weakened so drastically.
 

JonC

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I honestly think they are banking on the shot giving immunity long enough to get the patient through the early post transplant phase when the immune system has to be weakened so drastically.
Since you have some experience, how long does it take to know if the body will reject an organ?
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I honestly think they are banking on the shot giving immunity long enough to get the patient through the early post transplant phase when the immune system has to be weakened so drastically.
A bypass takes about 3 months to recover from. Ive no idea the recovery rate of a transplant but since I’m a diabetic I now will inquire into a kidney transplant and recovery time. In New Jersey I don’t think COVID shots are an issue, but I will find out.
 

SGO

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It's ok boys and girls.
The unvaxed are subhuman by their own choice, whatever reason.
Plenty of posts on this forum prove it.

Do you then believe transplant surgeons consider smokers, alcoholics, those who refuse the hepatitis vaccines or flu vaccines, those who use marijuana, etc. as "subhuman"?

Post misread.

"by their own choice, whatever reason." not what doctors, government officials, and their medical proxies say to blame non-care on them.

But plenty on this board agree.

Employers have a "right" to fire those who are unvaxed: "We gave them a chance."

Unvaxed players dropped from teams: "We gave them a chance."

Shaq has said I don't want to be around unvaxed team members.

Medical practitioners refuse care but forgot their hippocratic oath.

Do no harm does not apply to them, only the unvaxed.

The unvaxed spread the virus, that has been said here.

"Your facts are not true, but mine are." has been echoed many times.

No, no bias here.

I was wrong again.

Just not the popular opinion.
 

JonC

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Moderator

It's ok boys and girls.
The unvaxed are subhuman by their own choice, whatever reason.
Plenty of posts on this forum prove it.

Do you then believe transplant surgeons consider smokers, alcoholics, those who refuse the hepatitis vaccines or flu vaccines, those who use marijuana, etc. as "subhuman"?

Post misread.

"by their own choice, whatever reason." not what doctors, government officials, and their medical proxies say to blame non-care on them.

But plenty on this board agree.

Employers have a "right" to fire those who are unvaxed: "We gave them a chance."

Unvaxed players dropped from teams: "We gave them a chance."

Shaq has said I don't want to be around unvaxed team members.

Medical practitioners refuse care but forgot their hippocratic oath.

Do no harm does not apply to them, only the unvaxed.

The unvaxed spread the virus, that has been said here.

"Your facts are not true, but mine are." has been echoed many times.

No, no bias here.

I was wrong again.

Just not the popular opinion.
A bit of beating around the bush here.

The hospital denies transplants to people who refuse required vaccinations to include covid, flu, and hepatitis. They deny transplants to alcoholics, drugs users, and smokers.

Why are you playing victim by pulling out only one vaccine to say they consider that one group "subhuman?"

Do you seriously believe that is an honest thing to do?
 

JonC

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Why attack me?

Are you still sore?

You have the "majority" opinion and the knife.

Why not take a little break and look at this thread:

https://www.baptistboard.com/thread...est-social-media-problem.122185/#post-2736601

I'd like to read your take on it.
Uh....you believe asking a question is "attacking you"???? :rolleyes: Don't you see how that could be viewed as a bit melodramatic...maybe even less than honest?

I asked why, out of all of the requirements the hospital demands for transplants, are you picking out one vaccine to say they believe those people are "subhuman"?

They also require the flu and hepatitis vaccines. Are you saying they believe people who do not get a flu shots and hepatitis vaccines are "subhuman"?

What about smokers? Since they require people not to smoke fo they consider smokers "subhuman"?
 

SGO

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A bit of beating around the bush here.

Do you seriously believe that is an honest thing to do?
 

JonC

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A bit of beating around the bush here.

Do you seriously believe that is an honest thing to do?
No beating around the bush on my part at all. It was a very simple and straightforward question.

I asked why, out of all of the requirements the hospital demands for transplants, are you picking out one vaccine to say they believe those people are "subhuman"?

They also require the flu and hepatitis vaccines. Are you saying they believe people who do not get a flu shots and hepatitis vaccines are "subhuman"?

What about smokers? Since they require people not to smoke fo they consider smokers "subhuman"?
 

SGO

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I am too simple and straightforward to see that as merely a question.

You want the unvaxed to not have decent medical care?
 

JonC

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I am too simple and straightforward to see that as merely a question.

You want the unvaxed to not have decent medical care?
No. I want everybody in need of a transplant to get one regardless of vaccines, cigarette and alcohol use, etc. and I want a 100% recovery rate. But what I want is unrealistic.

Why, out of all of the requirements the hospital demands for transplants, are you picking out one vaccine to say they believe those people are "subhuman"?

They also require the flu and hepatitis vaccines. Are you saying they believe people who do not get a flu shots and hepatitis vaccines are "subhuman"?

What about smokers? Since they require people not to smoke fo they consider smokers "subhuman"?
 

SGO

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The unvaxed are not quite the same as smokers but you say they are.

But you are a smoker too, are you not?
 

Reynolds

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Since you have some experience, how long does it take to know if the body will reject an organ?
You never know for sure. It's always a possibility. Most rejections happen in the first year. The first three months is extremely critical.
 
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