Removing Unvaccinated from Transplant List.

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Because they are the govt!

I’m governed by God, not by man!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

In my mind the fair thing to do would be to consider unvaccination as a FACTOR, but not as the deciding factor. This is exactly what they're doing for obesity. Obesity isn't an automatic knock off the list, but is calculate as a factor.

Example:
An 80 year old vaccinated person needs a kidney transplant. Health is poor overall.
An 18 year old unvaccinated person needs that same kidney. Health is perfect.

I think we can both agree who should get the kidney.

To automatically ban the unvaccinated doesn't take into account the entire picture, and is not fair. Unvaccination SHOULD play a part just like obesity, cancer, etc, but it should NOT be the deciding factor. Unfortunately, based on the article, it IS the deciding factor, and is unfair and likely illegal if we still had a justice system.

Young man, I am impressed by both your morality and by your ability to think out of the box. Stay pure, inquisitive and vocal… the US badly needs this type of citizenry.

Now we may be in for a fight to eradicate tyranny but that’s forthcoming …. Even my wife (a liberal minded individual) is incensed

 

[Reynolds]

Denver hospital is removing unvaccinated from transplant list.

The reason is the increased mortality rate (something that factors in with transplants).

Transplant patients who contract covid have a mortality rate that ranges from about 20% to more than 30%. Vaccinated patients have a significantly lower chance of contracting covid and if they do a greater chance of an asymptomaticinfection.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/05/uchealth-transplant-unvaccinated/

I am not sure about this one.
They have a million other requirements to be on the list so I don't see this one as any different. My dad had a transplant and he had to have several vaxes pre transplant. They have to bring the immune system way down post transplant. Even with natural immunity, the anti rejection drugs would impact it terribly. I just don't know. They may be right on this one.

 

[JonC]

I disagree …these vaccines have not been proven safe. This is a supposition mouthed by fanatical Vaccine advocates and holds no water to people who have experienced otherwise

I understand. But do you seriously think somebody who dismisses the organizations that decided the vaccines are safe should be relying on those same simpletons to transplant an organs.

 

[JonC]

I am not sure about this one.
They have a million other requirements to be on the list so I don't see this one as any different. My dad had a transplant and he had to have several vaxes pre transplant. They have to bring the immune system way down post transplant. Even with natural immunity, the anti rejection drugs would impact it terribly. I just don't know. They may be right on this one.

I was surprised what all they have to be immunized against, but I guess it does make sense. You are right about the immune system. The article I was reading was saying how important it was to be taken the vaccinations early enough to strengthen the immune system prior to surgery.

I did not know about all of the restrictions, though. But this makes sence too.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I understand. But do you seriously think somebody who dismisses the organizations that decided the vaccines are safe should be relying on those same simpletons to transplant an organs.

Most surgeons I know are highly skilled professionals with many procedures under their belt. Are they the ones making decisions about who lives and who dies… tell me if you know?

 

[JonC]

Jon, I think we are talking about two different things.

I think the OP stated that those who refuse to take a shot are being taking off the list as a recipient.

And my response was that those who smoke or drink should not be an organ recipient either
(I read your response as that smokers should not be a doner.)

Sorry, I was not clear. I meant organ recipient.

I got the information from qualifications to be a recipient on a kidney transplant wait list.

 

[JonC]

Most surgeons I know are highly skilled professionals with many procedures under their belt. Are they the ones making decisions about who lives and who dies… tell me if you know?

The organ transplant team decides. This includes the surgeons but also social workers and such. Factors like being able to care for one's self after a transplant is also a factor.

 

[JonC]

In my mind the fair thing to do would be to consider unvaccination as a FACTOR, but not as the deciding factor. This is exactly what they're doing for obesity. Obesity isn't an automatic knock off the list, but is calculate as a factor.

Example:
An 80 year old vaccinated person needs a kidney transplant. Health is poor overall.
An 18 year old unvaccinated person needs that same kidney. Health is perfect.

I think we can both agree who should get the kidney.

To automatically ban the unvaccinated doesn't take into account the entire picture, and is not fair. Unvaccination SHOULD play a part just like obesity, cancer, etc, but it should NOT be the deciding factor. Unfortunately, based on the article, it IS the deciding factor, and is unfair and likely illegal if we still had a justice system.

The covid vaccination is just one of many they take. I guess since the mortality rate can be 30+% it is more an issue than some other factors.

 

[JonC]

Still with the 30% mortality rate of fabricated #’s. The docs do not incur the responsibility anyway, there is plenty of waiver paperwork that is signed in these cases to protect the docs & of course the insurance companies. You go to great lengths to twist to the left’s agenda. It’s what you do.

Doctors and hospitals do incur the liability if the decision to operate is questionable. 30+% mortality rate is probably too high for them to just ignore.

 

[Wingman68]

Doctors and hospitals do incur the liability if the decision to operate is questionable. 30+% mortality rate is probably too high for them to just ignore.

Oh, now it’s 30+%? Just where are these supposedly believable stats coming from? How many transplants with vax & without? You make definitive statements out of thin air, but it’s not misinformation when you do it…………Doctors DO incur liability after people sign waivers? How is that Jon?

 

[JonC]

it’s just one more attempt to manipulate people into knuckling under

This is because you cannot see past politics.

In the real world this is about the survivability of transplant patients. They are required to take vaccines for other viruses much less fatal than covid.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I am not sure about this one.
They have a million other requirements to be on the list so I don't see this one as any different. My dad had a transplant and he had to have several vaxes pre transplant. They have to bring the immune system way down post transplant. Even with natural immunity, the anti rejection drugs would impact it terribly. I just don't know. They may be right on this one.

Let’s be sure eh. I was not trained to allow for gray areas (areas of question). If there are immune system concerns then study it and let us know more. Thanks

 

[JonC]

Oh, now it’s 30+%? Just where are these supposedly believable stats coming from? How many transplants with vax & without? You make definitive statements out of thin air, but it’s not misinformation when you do it…………Doctors DO incur liability after people sign waivers? How is that Jon?

Yes. With transplant patients covid mortality can be up to 30%. And yes, doctors can incur liability even if patients signed waviers. If a doctor fails to address a known 30+ mortality rate which could be easily reduced this is called "negligence". This is especially true because less risky issues are addressed (like influenza) and we have an effective vaccine for covid.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Just in…Scandinavian countries suspend the use of Moderna in young people because of the heart inflammation. Makes sense since a 19 yo kid told me he got a vaccine and his heart is racing. Hmmmm!

 

[JonC]

Just in…Scandinavian countries suspend the use of Moderna in young people because of the heart inflammation. Makes sense since a 19 yo kid told me he got a vaccine and his heart is racing. Hmmmm!

Yep. They said this was rare and typically went away on its own but since they have Pfizer are using that vaccine for those under 30 out of precaution. Makes sence (this was a known side-effect).

 

[SGO]

But the vacks is really really safe.

 

[Reynolds]

Let’s be sure eh. I was not trained to allow for gray areas (areas of question). If there are immune system concerns then study it and let us know more. Thanks

The transplant doctors study the immune system. The immune system is what causes most of the problems. Have to keep it low enough to prevent rejection but high enough to prevent everything else. It's a balance.

 

[Reformed1689]

This is because you cannot see past politics.

In the real world this is about the survivability of transplant patients. They are required to take vaccines for other viruses much less fatal than covid.

Vaccines that have been time-tested.

 

[SGO]

It's ok boys and girls.
The unvaxed are subhuman by their own choice, whatever reason.
Plenty of posts on this forum prove it.