Repeal DOMA? Some Democrats Don't Agree With Obama

[Revmitchell]

On the Spot (CNSNews.com) - Several Senate Democrats say they would not support Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) in any attempt to repeal the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).



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[Revmitchell]

As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws. I personally believe that civil unions represent the best way to secure that equal treatment. But I also believe that the federal government should not stand in the way of states that want to decide on their own how best to pursue equality for gay and lesbian couples — whether that means a domestic partnership, a civil union, or a civil marriage.

Unlike Senator Clinton, I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) – a position I have held since before arriving in the U.S. Senate. While some say we should repeal only part of the law, I believe we should get rid of that statute altogether. Federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does. I have also called for us to repeal Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, and I have worked to improve the Uniting
American Families Act so we can afford same-sex couples the same rights and obligations as married couples in our immigration system.

 

[donnA]

So according to obama, marriage means nothing. His actions will belittle every real marriage in this country. How can any christian vote for and support, approve of the evil of this anti god person.

 

[dragonfly]

So according to obama, marriage means nothing. His actions will belittle every real marriage in this country. How can any christian vote for and support, approve of the evil of this anti god person.

I think your posting is hyperbole. I can support the candidate which I think will do the best job as president without agreeing with all his policies.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

So according to obama, marriage means nothing. His actions will belittle every real marriage in this country. How can any christian vote for and support, approve of the evil of this anti god person.

The same question goes for those who would support McCain.....

Regards donnA,
BiR

 

[Magnetic Poles]

If people want to "defend" marriage, they should work on the high divorce rate in this country. But that is not a function of government either.

 

[carpro]

So according to obama, marriage means nothing. His actions will belittle every real marriage in this country. How can any christian vote for and support, approve of the evil of this anti god person.

They're not "single issue" voters.

 

[Cutter]

As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws. I personally believe that civil unions represent the best way to secure that equal treatment. But I also believe that the federal government should not stand in the way of states that want to decide on their own how best to pursue equality for gay and lesbian couples — whether that means a domestic partnership, a civil union, or a civil marriage.

Unlike Senator Clinton, I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) – a position I have held since before arriving in the U.S. Senate. While some say we should repeal only part of the law, I believe we should get rid of that statute altogether. Federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does. I have also called for us to repeal Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, and I have worked to improve the Uniting
American Families Act so we can afford same-sex couples the same rights and obligations as married couples in our immigration system.

How and why did politics and politicians get involved in such matters anyway? Why should it be a President's place to rule in this way on such a sacred institution as marriage? It is very much like activism from the judiciary bench. :BangHead:

 

[Magnetic Poles]

How and why did politics and politicians get involved in such matters anyway? Why should it be a President's place to rule in this way on such a sacred institution as marriage? It is very much like activism from the judiciary bench. :BangHead:

It is because we use the same word for two related issues:

1. The religious aspect of a couple creating a marital relationship commitment, and a family
2. The civil contract that is recognized by the state for purposes of property, inheritance, hospital visitation, making decisions for one another, and tax benefits.

The two are related, but not interdependent. The polygamous FLDS church demonstrates this by their plural marriages being recognized by their church, but not the state.

 

[Andre]

As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws.

Funny, this hardly seems like something a Muslim would support, now does it, RevMitchell. Man, those fundamentalist Muslims and their liberal acceptance of same-sex relations......:laugh:

Lest ye deny that you are accusing Mr. Obama of having Muslim sentiments, here is a quote you posted in another thread:

With its similarity to popular online sites such as Facebook and MySpace and its links to a network of grassroots blogs, Barack Obama’s campaign website has been hailed as a testament to the candidate’s transformative politics. But at least part of the senator’s online outreach, “Muslim Americans for Obama ’08,” proposes installing Muslim prayer areas in public places and giving Muslims time off for prayer and has denounced Obama’s colleagues in the U.S. Senate who happen to be Jewish. This segment of Obama's online outreach also has ties to unindicted co-conspirators in terror trials and has recruited Obama supporters from among the ranks of fundamentalist Muslim extremists.

 

[Revmitchell]

Funny, this hardly seems like something a Muslim would support, now does it, RevMitchell. Man, those fundamentalist Muslims and their liberal acceptance of same-sex relations......:laugh:

Lest ye deny that you are accusing Mr. Obama of having Muslim sentiments, here is a quote you posted in another thread:

Thanks for making my point.

 

[Andre]

Thanks for making my point.

How am I making your point? You accuse Mr. Obama of having Muslim sentiments. I hardly see how sympathetic a reception he would receive from the Muslim community when he says this:

"As your president, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality...."

So, since we know from the above that Mr. Obama and Muslims part ways on the matter of same-sex relations, perhaps you can enlighten us as to what specific Muslim values he does ascribe to?

Fundamentalist values of Muslims re the treatment of women?

Fundamentalist values of Muslims re implementation of theocracy?

Fundamentalist values of Muslims re the abortion issue?

 

[Andre]

I erroneously attributed the following quote to RevMitchell, when in fact it comes from a post by Lady Eagle.

With its similarity to popular online sites such as Facebook and MySpace and its links to a network of grassroots blogs, Barack Obama’s campaign website has been hailed as a testament to the candidate’s transformative politics. But at least part of the senator’s online outreach, “Muslim Americans for Obama ’08,” proposes installing Muslim prayer areas in public places and giving Muslims time off for prayer and has denounced Obama’s colleagues in the U.S. Senate who happen to be Jewish. This segment of Obama's online outreach also has ties to unindicted co-conspirators in terror trials and has recruited Obama supporters from among the ranks of fundamentalist Muslim extremists.

My apologies.

Nevertheless, I am pretty sure that RevMitchell has attempted to argue, directly or by implication, that Mr. Obama's values have been informed Muslim beliefs.

Certainly his beliefs on same-sex issues are not the same

Certainly his beliefs on the abortion issue are not the same.

 

[Revmitchell]

I erroneously attributed the following quote to RevMitchell, when in fact it comes from a post by Lady Eagle.


My apologies.

Nevertheless, I am pretty sure that RevMitchell has attempted to argue, directly or by implication, that Mr. Obama's values have been informed Muslim beliefs.

Certainly his beliefs on same-sex issues are not the same

Certainly his beliefs on the abortion issue are not the same.

Apology accepted. God Bless

As CK4 will back up I have repeatedly stated that I do not know if Obama is now or ever has been a moslem. I have been very clear on that. I do have concerns however.

 

[Revmitchell]

How am I making your point? You accuse Mr. Obama of having Muslim sentiments. I hardly see how sympathetic a reception he would receive from the Muslim community when he says this:



So, since we know from the above that Mr. Obama and Muslims part ways on the matter of same-sex relations, perhaps you can enlighten us as to what specific Muslim values he does ascribe to?

Fundamentalist values of Muslims re the treatment of women?

Fundamentalist values of Muslims re implementation of theocracy?

Fundamentalist values of Muslims re the abortion issue?

Here is how you both accused me falsely and made my point (you are on a roll):

Originally Posted by Andre
Funny, this hardly seems like something a Muslim would support, now does it, RevMitchell. Man, those fundamentalist Muslims and their liberal acceptance of same-sex relations......

You seem to assert here that I have said he is a Moslem. This would be false. I have never said he was a Moslem.

Lest ye deny that you are accusing Mr. Obama of having Muslim sentiments, here is a quote you posted in another thread:

Actually now that I think about it you did not make my point you falsely accused me twice. I have never accused Barak as having Moslem sentiments. i have made it clear that I do not know that he is a Moslem nor do I know that he ever was a Moslem. I believe CK4 will verify this. Now, I would appreciate you putting a stop to your false accusations.

 

[Andre]

I have never accused Barak as having Moslem sentiments.

Let the reader judge whether the following extract from posts of yours suggest by implication that Mr. Obama has Moslem sentiments:

A Muslim leader from Dearborn met privately with Sen. Barack Obama during his Wednesday visit to Michigan. Imam Hassan Qazwini, head of the Islamic Center of America, said in an email that he met with Obama at Macomb Community College. A mosque spokesman, Eide Alawan, confirmed that the meeting took place. During the meeting, the two discussed the Presidential election, the Arab-Israeli conflict, and the Iraq war, according to Qazwini. At the end of the meeting, Qazwini said he gave Obama a copy of new book, “American Crescent,” and invited Obama to visit his center.

Obama has past ties to being a moslem. This incident is not isolated. As has been posted many "dots" have been presented.

The President doesnt have the history Obama has to include the past ties and the birth name. He doesnt have a moslem parent nor has he been to moslem schools etc.

Actually he went to a Madrass school and studied out of the quran.

Barak is a derivative of Barakat. Both are islamic names. If you want to tie him to Islam just call him Barak. The middle name is not necessary for this.

You have been very careful to offset these innuendos with statements like this:

As I have said I do not know if Obama is a Moslem. And neither do you know he is not. And that is the key Martin. You do not know. And I have yet to see anyone who is attempting to be untruthful on this issue. The issues are real. The concerns are real. And that is just the way it is.

You really are playing a bit of a game - suggesting by implication a dark and ominous connection to Islam but then correctly defending yourself that you have never explicitly made the accusation.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

They're not "single issue" voters.

Nor are they "two-issue voters," for that matter.....

BiR

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

You really are playing a bit of a game - suggesting by implication a dark and ominous connection to Islam but then correctly defending yourself that you have never explicitly made the accusation.

:thumbs:
That is right out of the playbook. This is just like FauxNews, when they use the phrase "some people are saying."
Regards,
BiR

 

[carpro]

On the Spot (CNSNews.com) - Several Senate Democrats say they would not support Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) in any attempt to repeal the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).

Far too few.

But that's to be expected from democrats.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

Far too few.

But that's to be expected from democrats.

How could you possibly know anything about democrats?