Repentance

[Tom Bryant]

Let me ask you something then I will answer you. Do you believe God's word as written?
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.

I can't answer for DHK, but I believe God's Word as written. So what is your answer to his question?

 

[DHK]

Let me ask you something then I will answer you. Do you believe God's word as written?
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.

Absolutely. I also think that the verse you referred to is one of the most misunderstood verses of the Bible and leads to much Bible error.

 

[freeatlast]

I can't answer for DHK, but I believe God's Word as written. So what is your answer to his question?

You are correct. You cannot answer for DHK. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Tom Bryant]

You are correct. You cannot answer for DHK. :smilewinkgrin:

So he answered, when will you?

 

[preacher4truth]

So he answered, when will you?

Amen.

freeatlast has a failure in theology, he proof-texts 1 John and missses the entire counsel of God on the matter. Certainly he thinks he walks without sin, and has laid claim to his own sinless perfection in days at a time, and those who sin daily and need washed daily he claims aren't/weren't saved in that they are practicing sin. This is his implication here.

1 John 1:8 has it lined out for us, and him. Part of the walk is the fact of confessed sin, even daily, as part of it. Sin, confession, washing in a continuous cycle to keep close to Christ. The ones rebuked in this walk context are the ones who say they are without sin. Scripture has a name for such a person.

I've never seen such unscriptural teachings taught in any Baptist church that I know.

freeatlast is an avid follower of John MacArthur Jr. Looking at his blog will convince you of that.

- Peace

 

[freeatlast]

Absolutely. I also think that the verse you referred to is one of the most misunderstood verses of the Bible and leads to much Bible error.

That was not my question. So neither will answer you.

 

[DHK]

That was not my question. So neither will answer you.

Your question. "Do you believe...?"
My answer: "Absolutely..."
How did I not answer your question?

 

[percho]

As it is written. Yes.

Every the one having been begotten out of the God sin not is doing that seed of him in him is remaining and not he is able to be sinning that out of the God he has been begotten. In other words as written in the KJV.

Black and white not gray.-----practicing is gray.

And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks. And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD. And the LORD said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah. Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; [and] I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I [am] merciful, saith the LORD, [and] I will not keep [anger] for ever. Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD. Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

When Jeremiah wrote this as a thus saith the LORD where was the fold of treacherous sister Judah? Where was the fold of backsliding Israel? Who and where is treacherous sister Judah today? Can you get approximately the % of these people in various countries? Where is backsliding Israel today? %'s?

I will being you to Zion. Is this the Mount Sion spoken of in Hebrews 12:22?

I pasted this to ask the question, does it really say these people ever repented or does God because of his name sake and through forgiveness take them back beginning one of a family two of a city?

 

[JesusFan]

Let me ask you something. How is it that we have fellowship with God? Is it not because our sin is covered? Is all your sin covered by the blood of Jesus or only that before the cross and that which you confess now?

Again, you misunderstand the doctrines of justification/sanctification!

per Bible, all of my sinsd were covered in full by death of Jesus, BUT there is also progressive growing/maturity up into image of Christ...

Whenever we sin, at that moment and until weconfess and repent of that sin, God will have us experience "disconnect: from our side to him...

Weare His children still, but up to us to restablish the fellowship/close connection to Him again!

 

[Tom Bryant]

As it is written. Yes.

Every the one having been begotten out of the God sin not is doing that seed of him in him is remaining and not he is able to be sinning that out of the God he has been begotten. In other words as written in the KJV.

Black and white not gray.-----practicing is gray.

I am having trouble deciphering what you are saying.

 

[JesusFan]

I am having trouble deciphering what you are saying.

he is saying that a true Child of God will not/cannot sin, as the Seed of God abides in him, and those who commit sin are children of devil...

Misunderstanding of John theology big time!

 

[Arbo]

Amen.

freeatlast has a failure in theology, he proof-texts 1 John and missses the entire counsel of God on the matter. Certainly he thinks he walks without sin, and has laid claim to his own sinless perfection in days at a time, and those who sin daily and need washed daily he claims aren't/weren't saved in that they are practicing sin. This is his implication here.

1 John 1:8 has it lined out for us, and him. Part of the walk is the fact of confessed sin, even daily, as part of it. Sin, confession, washing in a continuous cycle to keep close to Christ. The ones rebuked in this walk context are the ones who say they are without sin. Scripture has a name for such a person.

:thumbsup: Along with that, I John 1:9- "If we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sin, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." I read the words we, us, and our to mean those who name the name of Christ.

I am so thankful for this verse.

 

[freeatlast]

Your question. "Do you believe...?"
My answer: "Absolutely..."
How did I not answer your question?

Well if your answer to my question is "absolutely" then my answer to your question absolutely has to be Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.
I am glad that you absolutely believe that as that is absolutely what it says.

 

[freeatlast]

Again, you misunderstand the doctrines of justification/sanctification!

per Bible, all of my sinsd were covered in full by death of Jesus, BUT there is also progressive growing/maturity up into image of Christ...

Whenever we sin, at that moment and until weconfess and repent of that sin, God will have us experience "disconnect: from our side to him...

Weare His children still, but up to us to restablish the fellowship/close connection to Him again!

Here is my questions;
How is it that we have fellowship with God? Is it not because our sin is covered? Is all your sin covered by the blood of Jesus or only that before the cross and that which you confess now?

 

[DHK]

Well if your answer to my question is "absolutely" then my answer to your question absolutely has to be Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.
I am glad that you absolutely believe that as that is absolutely what it says.

I don't believe you have a correct understanding of that verse. That being the case you have an obligation to answer my question(s):

Is that really true with you?
Have you never practiced sin? Pride? Arrogance? Gluttony? Lying? Anger? Lust? Covetousness (I wish I had...) ?

Do you love your neighbor as yourself--always? The meaning, as Jesus applied it, is putting missions (the people of the world--your neighbors in this small world--ahead of yourself)

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (Matthew 22:37)
--Do you practice this command--always. All your heart--always; all your mind-always? If you don't you practice sin.

There are sins of omission as well as commission. It is often the sins of omission that we forget about so easily. Like the one above, or;

Pray without ceasing.
Give thanks always.

Omitting those or failing to practicing them as often as Paul has commanded are just as grievous as committing murder. Sin is sin.

 

[Tom Bryant]

Well if your answer to my question is "absolutely" then my answer to your question absolutely has to be Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.
I am glad that you absolutely believe that as that is absolutely what it says.

You sound like a politician. Their rule is if you can't answer the question asked, answer the question you want to answer and act like you've been clear and that it is their understanding that is faulty. Sounds like you have taken that rule as your own.

 

[Arbo]

Well if your answer to my question is "absolutely" then my answer to your question absolutely has to be Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.
I am glad that you absolutely believe that as that is absolutely what it says.

If I may, I'd like to ask you if you sin? I only ask because I have noticed that you repetitively quote this verse.

If your answer is 'no', then what's your take on I John 1:8,9?

 

[freeatlast]

:thumbsup: Along with that, I John 1:9- "If we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sin, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." I read the words we, us, and our to mean those who name the name of Christ.

I am so thankful for this verse.

No it is not speaking about the saved. It is speaking about those who need saved. One of the beliefs of the Gnostics was that denied that they had any sin ever. The passage is a back and forth progression of the saved and the lost. That part of the passage is speaking about the lost, not the saved. Sadly most Pastors use it incorrectly consequently most Christians do as well. The “we” is humanbeings not we the saved. The saved are already cleansed from all unrighteousness. Our sins are already forgiven. It is the lost and in this case the Gnostics who need to admit that the have sinned against God before they find forgiveness.

 

[freeatlast]

I don't believe you have a correct understanding of that verse. That being the case you have an obligation to answer my question(s):

Since I have been a Christian as it is with everyone who is really a Christian this has been the case. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.

 

[freeatlast]

You sound like a politician. Their rule is if you can't answer the question asked, answer the question you want to answer and act like you've been clear and that it is their understanding that is faulty. Sounds like you have taken that rule as your own.

If you cannot accept the word of God why would you accept anything I say? So I find it better to just use the word of God and let you deny it.