Reporter arrested for daring to ask questions

[poncho]

So you don't believe the eyewitness claims?

And how exactly do you think I should go about gathering dna evidence?

Copout, irrelevant. Show me the "Arabic" names on the flight manifests. Show me when and where Bin Laden was ever indicted for 911.

Really, if you're going to put forth the false flag theory, you need a good bit of evidence in your favour to prove your point or convince someone.

Where have you been? Half the U.S. and most of the world are already convinced false flag terrorism has always been a big part of "our" foreign policy. I think yer kinda late getting this arguement out. :laugh:

 

[IronWill]

Copout. Show me the "Arabic" names on the flight manifests. Show me when and where Bin Laden was ever indicted for 911.


Where have you been? Half the U.S. and most of the world are already convinced false flag terrorism has always been a big part of "our" foreign policy. I think yer kinda late getting this arguement out. :laugh:

I'm well aware that America HAS used false flag in the past. I was referring to your need to present more evidence in a public forum in order to convince people that September 11th was a false flag attack. Seems like I should be the one laughing here.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

Another truther moron wants to dominate the debate, and gets shown the door. Good.

They did more than show him the door......

That's Rudy for you.

Regards,
BiR

 

[StraightAndNarrow]

My feeling, after watching the video, is this guy violated personal space, and was removed. The rest is smoke & mirrors. Tantruming & whining.


LGF offers biased commentary, like a lot of sites, and they host videos, the same one you posted, BTW. Why make a big deal of it ? would you feel better if I took the video fro the huffington post ?

I didn't see the gentleman push up against the aid, shove him or do anything violent. Only in a police state do people get arrested for asking questions.


The Truther morons have settled on Rudy Giuliani as a very visible target, and will now apparently harass him at every public appearance. Last night it was one of the nitwits from InfoWars.com.

This situation has the potential to get very ugly indeed; these people are completely unhinged, and it’s not inconceivable that one of them could turn violent.

He "might become violent." I've seen a lot more shoving on any NYC subway.

 

[Ralph III]

You sound like you lack a certain historical knowledge of the United States foreign policy. I suggest you study up on it's use of false flag terrorism before we start comparing notes about who's conspiracy theory is more believable based on evidence.

I don't believe in or so easily fall for conspiracy theories Poncho! As nor do I believe in aliens, but admitingly I do not rule out Lockness Monster or Bigfoot!:laugh: Anyhow, there is no we in "comparing" conspiracy theories and as I said, such is simply nuts.


You think we need an official "indictment" as handed down from the Criminal Justice System in order to go after Bin Laden and then you have the courage to actually question other's knowledge???? I am sorry but did we "indict" Adolf Hitler, Mussolini and Hirohito before having war declared? Without such, am I to conclude you think it was an illegal act against them in doing so or a "conspiracy", as they obviously could not have been the true culprits?



FYI, Bin Laden gratefully acknowledged his planning of 9/11 and praised those who carried it out. Evidence was gathered in America and abroad on the Muslims who carried it out, which would include film footage and eye witness reports along with confessions. There are also the eyewitness accounts and descriptions, as given by the passengers on flight 93.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/binladen_10-29-04.html
or
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/11/wbin11.xml
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
or
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/01/terror/main2054288.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_2054288


If you do not feel you can get the truth from these, then google others or a Muslim site, as Al Jazeera!

We know who the murdering thugs were as they happily admit to it all the while planning other attacks. If you want to chase your tail and finger point then I am not sure what else could be said.

take care:wavey:

 

[Rufus_1611]

I don't believe in or so easily fall for conspiracy theories Poncho! As nor do I believe in aliens, but admitingly I do not rule out Lockness Monster or Bigfoot!:laugh: Anyhow, there is no we in "comparing" conspiracy theories and as I said, such is simply nuts.


You think we need an official "indictment" as handed down from the Criminal Justice System in order to go after Bin Laden and then you have the courage to actually question other's knowledge???? I am sorry but did we "indict" Adolf Hitler, Mussolini and Hirohito before having war declared? Without such, am I to conclude you think it was an illegal act against them in doing so or a "conspiracy", as they obviously could not have been the true culprits? FYI, Bin Laden gratefully acknowledged his planning of 9/11 and praised those who carried it out. Evidence was gathered in America and abroad on the Muslims who carried it out, which would include film footage and eye witness reports along with confessions. There are also the eyewitness accounts and descriptions, as given by the passengers on flight 93.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/binladen_10-29-04.html
or
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/11/wbin11.xml
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
or
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/01/terror/main2054288.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_2054288


If you do not feel you can get the truth from these, then google others or a Muslim site, as Al Jazeera!

We know who the murdering thugs were as they happily admit to it all the while planning other attacks. If you want to chase your tail and finger point then I am not sure what else could be said.

take care:wavey:

Since you have established the Telegraph as being a reliable source for the Bin Laden admittal, then do you accept their reporting of 4 of the 19 hijackers as being alive after the attack?

According to their report...

• Ahmed Al Ghamdi - Alive - "You cannot imagine what it is like to be described as a terrorist - and a dead man - when you are innocent and alive."
• Abdulaziz Alomari - Alive - "I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this."
• Nawaq Alhamzi - Alive
• Ahmed Alnami - Alive

Not that any of these details matter relative to this thread, as a reporter should be able to ask questions relevant to 9/11 without being arrested.

 

[Ralph III]

Since you have established the Telegraph as being a reliable source for the Bin Laden admittal, then do you accept their reporting of 4 of the 19 hijackers as being alive after the attack?

According to their report...

• Ahmed Al Ghamdi - Alive - "You cannot imagine what it is like to be described as a terrorist - and a dead man - when you are innocent and alive."
• Abdulaziz Alomari - Alive - "I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this."
• Nawaq Alhamzi - Alive
• Ahmed Alnami - Alive

Not that any of these details matter relative to this thread, as a reporter should be able to ask questions relevant to 9/11 without being arrested.

Rufus_1611 with due respect, what is the purpose of your post? Also, if you read my posts I think you will see I have made myself perfectly clear in regards to the O.P.



A) The man who was arrested is a radical conspiracy theorists reporter who has badgered Giuliani and possibly others' with the same questions on several occasions. Those questions have been answered numerous times but he again went after the Giuliani personnel in an attempt to simply cause a scene! As is the nature of these reporters and others'.

Such as they purport many conspiracy theories which would include, Giuliani knew the building was going to collapse(again what could he or anyone have done?:BangHead: ), to stating the Government knew beforehand the attacks were coming but allowed them to happen, to stating the Government was actually involved with the attacks and bombs were planted inside the buildings etc. It is legitimate and indeed relevant to the O.P. in noting this, as a few on this thread also suggest such notions.

I don't have a problem with the reporter simply asking questions and wanting answers, but it is silly to think that is all he wanted. Anyhow I stated in post #53 "...It will be interesting to see exactly what comes of this reporters arrest though. He was badgering and pursuing the official but I do not see an arrest with charges being necessary. They should have just escorted him away and/or detained him for a while....".



B) In responding to Poncho, I afforded him several websites. This was absolutely unnecessary and something which could have been taken insultingly because they offer Completely common, Universally accepted, and Irrefutable facts in regards to those who were involved with 9/11.

I don't purport the "telegraph" as being a reliable source but that is not to say they are not. I offered several sources or stated choose your own, which would include sources sympathetic to bin Ladin! I purport video and interviewed confessions and other such evidence, as prepared by Bin Ladin and many other Al Qaeda members as being the sufficient "source"! Such as can be found on most any news outlet!

Yes the FBI, as with any investigation and especially in early stages, often gets particulars wrong. However, such is irrelevant to the point and if you read the Telegraph article which YOU posted, they note these men had their identities stolen. However that in no way diminishes the fact, 19 Muslim terrorists associated with bin Ladin and Al Qaeda carried out the attacks on 9/11!

"THEIR names were flashed around the world as suicide hijackers......But yesterday four innocent men told how their identities had been stolen by Osama bin Laden's teams to cover their tracks.................Last night the FBI admitted that there was some doubt about the identities of some of the suspects. A spokesman said: "The identification process has been complicated by the fact that many Arabic family names are similar. It is also possible that the hijackers used false identities." source Telegraph September 23, 2001.

Again, making errors with particulars does not diminish the fact 19 Muslim terrorists carried out the attacks on 9/11. As they joyfully admit to it in last testimonies and as other al Qaeda note in numerous video, audio, and written interviews as often given to sympathizers as AL Jazeera. http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-09-07-qaeda-tape_x.htm

OR you can use the eye witness accounts as provided by the heroes on flight 93, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191420,00.html or
http://www.pahighways.com/features/shanksville.html


take care:jesus:

 

[Rufus_1611]

Yes the FBI, as with any investigation and especially in early stages, often gets particulars wrong. However, such is irrelevant to the point and if you read the Telegraph article which YOU posted, they note these men had their identities stolen. However that in no way diminishes the fact, 19 Muslim terrorists associated with bin Ladin and Al Qaeda carried out the attacks on 9/11!

Since they were wrong about particulars in the "early stages" can you tell me, has the FBI taken those four names off of the list of people responsible for 9/11 and who are the four replacement players?

 

[Ralph III]

Since they were wrong about particulars in the "early stages" can you tell me, has the FBI taken those four names off of the list of people responsible for 9/11 and who are the four replacement players?

Hmmmmm, what does it matter Rufus_1611??? As such does not detract in any manner from the group responsible for 9/11, who indeed claim and claimed responsibility for 9/11, with a mountain of evidence showing they committed the attacks of 9/11 etc. I would not say they are "players" but instead murdering thugs and I am sure that is how those who lost loved one's would see it.

In addition, I said "Yes the FBI, as with any investigation and especially in early stages, often gets particulars wrong..." I did not say they now have every detail absolutely correct! They will most likely for many years or decades discover new details or greater elaboration with existing details.


Again, I challenged the conspiracy theories some advance in saying Muslims were not involved, the towers were imploded with bombs, the Government knew beforehand the attacks were coming and chose to do nothing, the Government was involved etc etc. It really is a waste of time!


If you have a problem with the competence of the FBI or questions to ask them, then please feel free to do so! http://www.fbi.gov/ but such is in no way going to change or even challenge the fact as to who committed the attacks on 9/11. As you would also have to contact and challenge hundreds of other Governments and law enforcement personnel in countries World Wide.

You could try and contact Osama bin Ladin to better clarify his statements and admissions if you still have doubts. I would ask you to please forward such information to the proper authorities though.

quote by Bill Carter FBI spokesman
"There has been no change in thought about the identities of those who boarded those planes......It's like saying my name is John Smith. There are a lot of people with the name of John Smith, but they're not the same person."June 11, 2003 Insight

Again, if you have a problem with the FBI then contact them about these few names. Again however, such will not change the fact as to who was responsible for the attacks. The only difference it could make would be the image of Saudi Arabia, as they claim it was bin Ladin's attempt to further make them look bad with these stolen identities.

take care :wavey:

 

[JustChristian]

QUESTION

Wouldn't Patrick Henry been just a little pushy if confronted by a representative of the king?

 

[JustChristian]

One question. How did we know immediately after 9/11 who was responsible? One of the airport video's cited as proof was shown to be questionable because it lacked the time and date stamp always put on airport security videos. A passport from one of the alleged hijackers was found in pristine condition on a downtown NYC street. I find that impossible to believe since it was in a man's pocket on board a plane that slammed into a 110 story building that burst into fire and collapsed onto itself. The passengers bones and the flight recorders weren't recovered but a paper document came through untouched? Did the hijackers use their real names when they purchased tickets and checked onto the airplanes?

Why was the bin Laden family allowed to fly out of the U.S. following 9/11 when our airspace was closed to everything else? It goes on and on and on.....

 

[poncho]

I'm well aware that America HAS used false flag in the past. I was referring to your need to present more evidence in a public forum in order to convince people that September 11th was a false flag attack. Seems like I should be the one laughing here.

I have. Five thousand posts worth.

A man once told me that he could give me a book but he'd rather I buy it. The idea being that I would be more apt to read it if I had something invested in it. People who cannot be bothered to invest their own time and energy in the search and study department will never be convinced by anyone about anything.

 

[IronWill]

I have. Five thousand posts worth.

A man once told me that he could give me a book but he'd rather I buy it. The idea being that I would be more apt to read it if I had something invested in it. People who cannot be bothered to invest their own time and energy in the search and study department will never be convinced by anyone about anything.

LOL

Really Poncho, that's all you can come up with? I'm always open to evidence. Always have been. You think you know where I'm coming from, but you're wrong. I just make choices rather carefully based on the evidence that I see.

 

[poncho]

LOL

Really Poncho, that's all you can come up with? I'm always open to evidence. Always have been. You think you know where I'm coming from, but you're wrong. I just make choices rather carefully based on the evidence that I see.

Then choose to do some reseach on your own and give me a break. I've been posting mountains of evidence here for years just so people who can't see past the corporate media's headlines, the government's propaganda and their own feel good nationalism can refuse to look at it. You want to have a real discussion PM me I'll be glad to compare notes or whatever, but if you're just looking to waste my time then fagitabotit.

 

[Rufus_1611]

Protester removed from Fred Thompson event

Protester removed from Fred Thompson event

HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) – A woman screaming “you’re not a real conservative, sir” was removed by police from a welcoming reception for likely GOP presidential candidate Fred Thompson Wednesday morning. A second protester was also taken from the room.

Houston police officers escorted the woman — as well as a man — from the hangar at Hobby Airport, where Thompson was shaking hands with a crowd of supporters. They were not arrested.

The woman questioned Thompson as he talked to reporters. She asked him why he was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and noted that the organization supported the North American Union with Canada and Mexico.

After the woman interrupted Thompson by questioning his conservative credentials, the likely candidate said, “Don’t fuss at me. You asked me a question. Let me answer it.” He told the woman, “I try to learn as much as I can from all viewpoints.”

Later, she shouted at Thompson as the news conference ended. Police officers took her outside a fenced area near the hangar, and stood with her until the former Tennessee senator departed.

..........

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) – A woman screaming “you’re not a real conservative, sir” was removed by police from a welcoming reception for likely GOP presidential candidate Fred Thompson Wednesday morning. A second protester was also taken from the room.

Houston police officers escorted the woman — as well as a man — from the hangar at Hobby Airport, where Thompson was shaking hands with a crowd of supporters. They were not arrested.

The woman questioned Thompson as he talked to reporters. She asked him why he was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and noted that the organization supported the North American Union with Canada and Mexico.

After the woman interrupted Thompson by questioning his conservative credentials, the likely candidate said, “Don’t fuss at me. You asked me a question. Let me answer it.” He told the woman, “I try to learn as much as I can from all viewpoints.”

Later, she shouted at Thompson as the news conference ended. Police officers took her outside a fenced area near the hangar, and stood with her until the former Tennessee senator departed.

Good!:thumbs: She needed to be carted off.

 

[TomVols]

You can tell the left is afraid. The establishment is afraid. The "Pygmies" are afraid :laugh:

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

You can tell the left is afraid. The establishment is afraid. The "Pygmies" are afraid :laugh:

what are pygmies?

 

[TomVols]

Reportedly, Newt called the current crop of GOP candidates "Pygmies" http://www.examiner.com/a-842080~Newt_goes_nuclear__May_enter_race_to_foil_pygmies.html

I think he said the same about the Dem field, but I can't find a link except to a blog.

 

[KenH]

Prison planet? About as reasonable, reliable & unbiased as they come, eh?

At least as much so as, say, Fox News Channel.