Reports of Side Effects Are Rising Rapidly (Covid vax)

[rlvaughn]

Just joined here...

Jack, welcome to the Baptist Board. I hope you find it a blessing.

 

[Revmitchell]

Judy Mikovits is not a credible source:

Judy Anne Mikovits (born 1957 or 1958) is an American former research scientist who is known for her discredited medical claims, such as that murine endogenous retroviruses are linked to chronic fatigue syndrome. As an outgrowth of these claims, she has engaged in anti-vaccination activism, promoted conspiracy theories, and been accused of scientific misconduct. She has made false claims about vaccines, COVID-19, and chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), among others.

says you
plagiarise much?

 

[Jack Hudson]

Jack, welcome to the Baptist Board. I hope you find it a blessing.

Thank you sir!

 

[Jack Hudson]

Your argument is compelling if there is a 100% safe alternative.
Vaccine is not 100% safe and does not guarantee 100% survival from the virus.
Time will tell what the actual numbers will be.
My very pro-vax doctor admitted to me that he is shocked at how quickly the virus broke through this vaccine.
This vaccine definitely alters the immune system of some in a negative way. Doc told me he is seeing a lot of vaccinated adults with Mollescum.
Non-immuno compromised adults do not get Mollescum. Also said he is seeing a super high rate of shingles in the Covid vaxed. Had a vaxed 23 year old with shingles last month.

Just look at both sides. Don't drink either sides Kool Aid.

Yes sir. Like many I recently listened to an interview with the man who patented MRNA Technology.He's been making the tour now for quite some time. Frankly, I would have to listen to him several times in order to mentally process everything he said in that one hour. He is not an anti vax.

But I got two takeaways. First, this is not the first time MRNA has been used. Second and like you mentioned, at the top of the medical food chain (my phrasing) he also said they are shocked at how short the durability of this vaccine is.

He also spoke on the subject of ADE. But like I said, I would have to listen to him several more times before I could understand what his position on that is.

I'm on heavy anti seizure meds that slow my brain down from firing limiting my abstract thinking abilities in something long and detailed like that. But PTL they are under control for 4 years now.. Also I felt worth mentioning is my Neurologist at Duke told me the same thing about the vaccine.......weigh your risk factors and make a decision based on that.

 

[Reynolds]

Yes sir. Like many I recently listened to an interview with the man who patented MRNA Technology.He's been making the tour now for quite some time. Frankly, I would have to listen to him several times in order to mentally process everything he said in that one hour. He is not an anti vax.

But I got two takeaways. First, this is not the first time MRNA has been used. Second and like you mentioned, at the top of the medical food chain (my phrasing) he also said they are shocked at how short the durability of this vaccine is.

He also spoke on the subject of ADE. But like I said, I would have to listen to him several more times before I could understand what his position on that is.

I'm on heavy anti seizure meds that slow my brain down from firing limiting my abstract thinking abilities in something long and detailed like that. But PTL they are under control for 4 years now.. Also I felt worth mentioning is my Neurologist at Duke told me the same thing about the vaccine.......weigh your risk factors and make a decision based on that.

I am not on meds and I couldn't keep up with the Doc you refer to. He throws facts faster than a fax machine.

 

[Jack Hudson]

LOL, thank you!

 

[canadyjd]

Yes, the issue is how much risk should we take to provide the freedom for others to put us at risk. For example, an employer might say everyone who works in my shop must be vaccinated so as to minimize the risk of my shop shutdown due to COVID and quarantine. So yes, it is complicated...

Here’s what everyone was told. You get the vaccine, you are protected. You don’t need to wear a mask, social distance, shut down, bla, bla, bla.

Now you claim if someone doesn’t get vaccinated, they are putting people who have been vaccinated at risk. How exactly does that work?

If you believe that the unvaccinated put the vaccinated at risk, you are admitting the vaccines don’t work. The vaccines don’t provide protection.

So, you are saying the vaccines don’t really protect you from the virus, but you want to mandate everyone get the vaccine anyway.

And you wonder why people are skeptical of the information we are getting.

peace to you

 

[Andre]

says you
plagiarise much?

An inappropriate accusation on your part - it would be so obvious to most readers that my quote was not my own, I did not need to explicitly say so. In any event, my source was wikipedia.

But let's talk some more about your source Judy Mikovits. From sciencemag.org:

In a video that has exploded on social media in the past few days, virologist Judy Mikovits claims the new coronavirus is being wrongly blamed for many deaths. She makes head-scratching assertions about the virus—for instance, that it is “activated” by face masks.

Mikovits also accuses Anthony Fauci, head of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and a prominent member of the White House’s Coronavirus Task Force, of being responsible for the deaths of millions during the early years of the HIV/AIDS pandemic. The video claims Mikovits was part of the team that discovered HIV, revolutionized HIV treatment, and was jailed without charges for her scientific positions.

Science fact-checked the video. None of these claims are true.

 

[Andre]

Your comparisons of getting a disease to air travel or extreme sports is nonsense.

No - the comparison was spot on, as the issue is what we consider to be an acceptable risk.

Every activity has risks. Living has risks.

You may believe refusing this medical procedure makes no sense, and perhaps you are right. But Americans used to have the option to make those decisions without the government forcing it on us.

Strawman - I have never stated, or implied, that I favour enforced vaccination.

 

[Andre]

Your argument is compelling if there is a 100% safe alternative.
Vaccine is not 100% safe and does not guarantee 100% survival from the virus.

There is no such alternative at present.

Time will tell what the actual numbers will be.

And time is already telling us that the unvaccinated are dying needlessly.

This vaccine definitely alters the immune system of some in a negative way. Doc told me he is seeing a lot of vaccinated adults with Mollescum.
Non-immuno compromised adults do not get Mollescum. Also said he is seeing a super high rate of shingles in the Covid vaxed. Had a vaxed 23 year old with shingles last month.

Let's assume all this is true. The relevant point is how the risks posed by the vaccine compare with the risks of foregoing the vaccine.

And I am certain that, at present, the overwhelming majority of experts think the vaccine is worth it.

 

[JonC]

Here’s what everyone was told. You get the vaccine, you are protected. You don’t need to wear a mask, social distance, shut down, bla, bla, bla.

Now you claim if someone doesn’t get vaccinated, they are putting people who have been vaccinated at risk. How exactly does that work?

If you believe that the unvaccinated put the vaccinated at risk, you are admitting the vaccines don’t work. The vaccines don’t provide protection.

So, you are saying the vaccines don’t really protect you from the virus, but you want to mandate everyone get the vaccine anyway.

And you wonder why people are skeptical of the information we are getting.

peace to you

EXACTLY!!!!!

That is my point as well.

The pro-vaxer agenda itself proves they are wrong.

We are told the unvaccinated will become super-spreaders and it us a pandemic of the unvaccunated. If the vaccine works- you may get sick....but not seriously so in most cases) then let the unvacvinated live or die with their choice.

The anti-vaxer agenda itself proves they are wrong too.

If there is a 99% chance covid will be a big nothing, except the vaccinated will die in 5 years and covid variants will be lethal to them then let them live or die with their choices.

Get out of the business of telling others how to live their lives.

 

[canadyjd]

…..the issue is what we consider to be an acceptable risk…..

You do not speak for everyone on what is an “acceptable risk”.

If 99.7% isn’t good enough for you, then shut yourself up in your home, call for deliveries of food, wear your mask day and night… but don’t pretend to speak for the majority or even a large number of Americans who truly understand risks and, more importantly, the value of freedom.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

EXACTLY!!!!!

That is my point as well.

The pro-vaxer agenda itself proves they are wrong.

We are told the unvaccinated will become super-spreaders and it us a pandemic of the unvaccunated. If the vaccine works- you may get sick....but not seriously so in most cases) then let the unvacvinated live or die with their choice.

The anti-vaxer agenda itself proves they are wrong too.

If there is a 99% chance covid will be a big nothing, except the vaccinated will die in 5 years and covid variants will be lethal to them then let them live or die with their choices.

Get out of the business of telling others how to live their lives.

Just for the record, I have decided to get the vaccine based on the science and my own circumstances.

The “anti-vaccine” folks have no power to force people to “not” get the vaccine.

The “pro-vaccine” folks are attempting to mandate the vaccine or face “consequences”.

At this point, it is almost impossible to know what information to trust. When official government “experts” intentionally mislead the public, you have to expect the public not to trust what they say.

peace to you

 

[Andre]

If 99.7% isn’t good enough for you, then shut yourself up in your home, call for deliveries of food, wear your mask day and night… but don’t pretend to speak for the majority or even a large number of Americans who truly understand risks and, more importantly, the value of freedom.

This is not an acceptable position, obviously.

You have a safe, effective, easy option to help put an end to this pandemic. But you are asking those of us who are doing the right thing to wall ourselves up in our homes so that you can exercise your "freedom" to make a choice that endangers the rest of society.

Your position is manifestly selfish.

 

[graciecat]

Were those people who had side effects have a pre-existing illness? On what percentage?

 

[JonC]

Just for the record, I have decided to get the vaccine based on the science and my own circumstances.

The “anti-vaccine” folks have no power to force people to “not” get the vaccine.

The “pro-vaccine” folks are attempting to mandate the vaccine or face “consequences”.

At this point, it is almost impossible to know what information to trust. When official government “experts” intentionally mislead the public, you have to expect the public not to trust what they say.

peace to you

The issue with the anti-vax agenda and the pro-vax agenda is trying to manuolate people into decisions by persuasion.

Sometimes people will have to decide between career and their choice. I had to with the military (vaccines were mandated). Same with hospitals.

Say hospitals decide to add the covid vaccination to required vaccinations. Thus falls on the one in charge of such decisions. This is not a mandate but a requirement (there are consequences).

I have no issues with the vaccine being required for certain employment where the unvaccinated may put others in harm.

 

[Van]

Here’s what everyone was told. You get the vaccine, you are protected. You don’t need to wear a mask, social distance, shut down, bla, bla, bla.
Now you claim if someone doesn’t get vaccinated, they are putting people who have been vaccinated at risk. How exactly does that work?
If you believe that the unvaccinated put the vaccinated at risk, you are admitting the vaccines don’t work. The vaccines don’t provide protection.
So, you are saying the vaccines don’t really protect you from the virus, but you want to mandate everyone get the vaccine anyway.
And you wonder why people are skeptical of the information we are getting.
peace to you

On of these days, a poster will actually address my position, rather than attack a fiction of their creation. Pay no attention to the disinformation posters on this important topic.

 

[just-want-peace]

This is not an acceptable position, obviously.

You have a safe, effective, easy option to help put an end to this pandemic. But you are asking those of us who are doing the right thing to wall ourselves up in our homes so that you can exercise your "freedom" to make a choice that endangers the rest of society.

Your position is manifestly selfish.

And I would say that YOUR position is manifestly pathetic!!!

Nobody is “asking you - ————- “ . This was merely a suggestion that if you are as scared of the bug as you SEEM to be, this is a viable choice.
YOUR CHOICE - get out & take your chances or stay isolated, but safe(?)!!

 

[Andre]

And I would say that YOUR position is manifestly pathetic!!!

Nobody is “asking you - ————- “ . This was merely a suggestion that if you are as scared of the bug as you SEEM to be, this is a viable choice.
YOUR CHOICE - get out & take your chances or stay isolated, but safe(?)!!

Come on, now. Pointing out the fact that my interests are dramatically damaged by your choices does not make my position "pathetic" how, exactly?

If you want to go into into a public place and open up with an AR-15, am I being "pathetic" if I object to you telling me to hide in my basement to avoid the bullets?

Again: by exercizing your "freedom" to put others at risk, you are being selfish, period.

It is manifestly absurd for you guys to hold us all hostage in our basements because you are afraid of a needle.

 

[canadyjd]

This is not an acceptable position, obviously.

You have a safe, effective, easy option to help put an end to this pandemic. But you are asking those of us who are doing the right thing to wall ourselves up in our homes so that you can exercise your "freedom" to make a choice that endangers the rest of society…..

Once again, how does a person’s decision to not be vaccinated “endanger” anyone who has been vaccinated if a vaccination is a “safe, effective, easy option” to end the pandemic?

You are suggesting the vaccines don’t work when you claim the unvaccinated endanger those who have been vaxed. In the same breath you demand that everyone should be mandated to get the vaccine.

peace to you