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Republicans criticize Confederate flags at Obama visit

Revmitchell

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More deflection. They didn't adopt the American flag as a symbol of their racist attitudes against integration.

So another false equivalency.

You know little to nothing about the KKK. The CBF is not tied to them nor do they use it as a symbol of their organization.

The American flag is the flag they carry:

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Their actual symbol is this:

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The KKK do carry it when they want to express southern heritage but they also and in fact more often carry the American flag just as many other people do the same for both who are opposed to the KKK.

What you actually know about the KKK is what you can learn from false news stories and the internet. I can assure you that you are as lost as the day is long on this issue.
 

Sapper Woody

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I think everybody who has one should. And I believe everyone who has an American flag should fly it upside down.



This is off OP topic, but I greatly disagree. In fact, if I see an American flag waving in someone's front lawn, I will be tempted to break through a window to check and make sure they're not being held hostage. After all, that's what that means: it's a distress signal. Not a political tool.
 

Revmitchell

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The American flag being hung upside down was originally used on American ships that were in distress prior to the 1900's. Over the years after it has become a means to communicate the condition of our country as a whole. Some may call that a political tool others would see it as a rallying cry over the condition of the country.

Those who want to be offended over its use in the latter manner are welcome to be offended. Veterans all over the country and Americans who have never served often do use the flag, in some instances, in that manner.

It would be an odd thing to bust into someone's home because of an upside down flag in their yard given the change, over the years, in the symbolism behind it.

Doing so would likely be little more than a action taken to express the disagreement over how they are using it. It may also get you put in jail.
 

carpro

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This is off OP topic, but I greatly disagree. In fact, if I see an American flag waving in someone's front lawn, I will be tempted to break through a window to check and make sure they're not being held hostage. After all, that's what that means: it's a distress signal. Not a political tool.

Not disagreeing, but

this country, as a whole. is in great distress. The country that you and I love is systimatically being destroyed.
 

Gina B

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They wave the American flag more. What do you want to do with that.

The American flag, to the majority of citizens, implies freedom and when seen, people think "The United States."

If I see somebody parked at a business, with a United States flag on their vehicle, I enjoy it. I wonder if the person driving it is a soldier and am happy to see someone who appears to care about this country.

I do not feel the same about the other flag. It brings nervousness and concern for my safety and that of my family and others with us.

Is EVERYONE on this board a White southerner???
 

JohnDeereFan

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Gina B said:
I do not feel the same about the other flag. It brings nervousness and concern for my safety and that of my family and others with us.

Have you considered seeing a psychiatrist about your irrational phobia?

Is EVERYONE on this board a White southerner???

I am. Is that a problem for you, princess?
 

Gina B

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Have you considered seeing a psychiatrist about your irrational phobia?



I am. Is that a problem for you, princess?

It isn't a problem, muffin.
But if I'd have said yes what would you propose we do? Go to the Baptist Board parking lot and fight?
 

JohnDeereFan

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It isn't a problem, muffin.
But if I'd have said yes what would you propose we do? Go to the Baptist Board parking lot and fight?

Not at all. I'd just suggest that you get help for your phobias.
 
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Gina B

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Not at all. I'd just suggest that you get help for your phobias.

Go read your history. Every time that flag gets resurrected, it is due to racism being revived. Look what started off this last one - the mass killing of non-whites by a White person who obviously used that flag as a symbol of hatred. Now once again, as in the past, the KKK is marching and rallying to defend that flag.

And you want me to seek help for being nervous when I see someone waving that flag? You call it a phobia? That's just crazy.

THINK about it. Is that symbol truly representative of who and what you are? You want to associate yourself with it? Please explain why that is important to you. What, in your mind, do you honestly believe people will think when they see you showing off that flag?
 

JohnDeereFan

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Go read your history.

You mean the history I have two degrees in and taught at the secondary and college levels for several years?

Every time that flag gets resurrected, it is due to racism being revived. Look what started off this last one - the mass killing of non-whites by a White person who obviously used that flag as a symbol of hatred. Now once again, as in the past, the KKK is marching and rallying to defend that flag.

So, because somebody misuses a symbol, that makes the symbol bad?

If that's what you believe, then you need to be equally afraid of the American flag, since far more racism occurred under it than under the Confederate flag.

You might also want to take the cross out of your church (assuming you go to church) because it was used as a symbol of hatred and intimidation by the Klan.

And, for goodness' sake, stop singing Amazing Grace, because that song was written by a slave trader.

And you want me to seek help for being nervous when I see someone waving that flag? You call it a phobia? That's just crazy.

I agree. Your phobia is crazy.

THINK about it. Is that symbol truly representative of who and what you are? You want to associate yourself with it? Please explain why that is important to you. What, in your mind, do you honestly believe people will think when they see you showing off that flag?

Why do I care what people think about the flag? Look at the people here who object to it. They're all idiots and one crazy person. Why should I care what a bunch of idiots think?
 
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Salty

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and yes, the Confederate Flag IS a symbol of States rights.
Something these united States need more of in these days.

Salty

PS, Yes, I intentionally did use lower case for "united"
 

Zaac

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and yes, the Confederate Flag IS a symbol of States rights.

Sure is. A symbol of states' rights to say their people could own slaves.

Just as the battleflag is a symbol of states' rights to not integrate.

Something these united States need more of in these days.

We need more states saying that their people can own slaves?
 

Zaac

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Go read your history. Every time that flag gets resurrected, it is due to racism being revived. Look what started off this last one - the mass killing of non-whites by a White person who obviously used that flag as a symbol of hatred. Now once again, as in the past, the KKK is marching and rallying to defend that flag.

And you want me to seek help for being nervous when I see someone waving that flag? You call it a phobia? That's just crazy.

AMEN!!!

THINK about it. Is that symbol truly representative of who and what you are? You want to associate yourself with it? Please explain why that is important to you. What, in your mind, do you honestly believe people will think when they see you showing off that flag?

Gina, they know what it really means. They just don't care just like the folks giving Donald Trump the lead in the polls. Like with the things Donald Trump says, they support the what that you know that flag stands.

That's why they don't mind associating with it.

And it's sad because it's the same attitude that allowed so called Christians to stand by and turn a blind eye during both slavery and Jim Crow as Blacks were lynched and burned and hanged and dragged under those flags.
 

carpro

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Ol' Abe may have even honored the flag, but then he actually knew why he embroiled the nation in a civil war. He would never have went to war to free the slaves.


"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."

Abe Lincoln


And he knew it was nothing more than a battle flag. Union troops first saw it in battle when they invaded the confederacy. The last look they got of it was over their shoulders as they ran from the battlefield.
 
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